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Posted on 10/17/2011 10:11:59 AM PDT by 92nina
Right! I like the current system that was managed by Dan Rostenkowski and Charlie Rangel!
I like a tax code with thousands of pages where everyone is a criminal until proven innocent!
I like a tax code with an armed IRS that can just garnish your wages or sell your assets!
I don't want the Fair Tax because those damn conservatives have been trying to enact it for decades!
We should have the tax system that the OWS protesters are proposing! Replace 9-9-9 with Mine!-Mine!-Mine!
By misstating what Cain said, you are either lying or incapable of understanding the quote you posted.
I believe rolling_stone is assuming that you are lying, therefore giving you the benefit of the doubt - i.e. he is making the assumption that you aren’t stupid.
Evidently the verdict is still out.
I know. This stupid representative republic crap sucks! We need dictators so peons like you don't have to watch out for our elected officials!
:-)
To be honest, every time a “conservative” is elected I just see it as putting off the inevitable for a couple of years. And as much as I love discussing Cain’s idea, I don’t think it, or anything like it will ever actually get passed.
The reason is simple: This country has created a MASSIVE industry around our current federal tax system. Attorneys, Accountants and all the support positions in companies devoted to taxes as well as HUGE tax departments in large corporations are FILLED with people who have the motivation and means to stop such a thing from EVER happening.
We are going to go down. A flat tax may be a nice thing to do when the Phoenix rises from the ashes, but we need to get through the ashes phase first. It will probably begin next year but could happen before this year is out.
Retail sale.
I gave you my opinion as a life long fiscal conservative. One more time. Cain's 999 tax plan is a gimmick to hoodwink conservatives into supporting him and to garner him more primary votes. Cain has done a good job in that respect. But he hasn't hoodwinked ALL conservatives.
You act as though the liberal establishment is going to just sit by waiting for Cain to implement phase I followed by phase II of his 999 plan. LOL Cain has to win the nomination first and then beat Obama. I don't see either event happening. Btw, being skeptical of Cain's 999 plan is what we conservatives do all the time.
Freedomworks has done an analysis on Cain's 999 Tax plan and they say:
Mr. Cain's 999 plan is on the right track with its goal of a lower, flatter, simpler, fairer, more transparent tax system. Nine percent would be a wonderful top rate for the income tax, compared to today's 35% top rate. And let's face it, abolishing the payroll tax and the death tax would simply be awesome.
But adding a national retail sales tax on top of the federal income tax (even a flat tax) is a bad idea, because it creates the infrastructure for a federal-level, European-style VAT.
And if Cain's 9% personal flat tax failed to remain flat (as happened with Ronald Reagan's promising but ultimately failed 1986 tax reform), we would end up with the worst of both worlds: a confiscatory income tax and a job-crushing VAT.
Paradoxically, then, if you want higher taxes and permanently bigger government, one way to get there would be to support Herman Cain's 999 plan!
Two rousing cheers, for boldness and imagination. And one bronx cheer, for a dangerous lack of foresight.
So go sit in the corner, suck your thumb, stop posting and wait for the end to come.
Meanwhile, the rest of us are going to fight until the bitter end.
Nice try.
...NEVER CREATE A NEW TAX!
New taxes always result in paying MORE taxes.....
oh my how simple a statement, but yet untrue. New taxes that REPLACE OTHER TAXES do not necessarily mean paying more taxes. 9+9+9=27 35 + 25= 60
Oh, and to those lib mouthpieces on the MSM that are claiming if Obama held a press conference calling for Congress to debate the 9-9-9 plan that conservatives would go bonkers, GO AHEAD, OBAMA! Call for that press conference! I would LOVE to see libs heads explode by you putting your support behind 9-9-9!
I know. This stupid representative republic crap sucks! We need dictators so peons like you don't have to watch out for our elected officials! “
Ya, and how's that working out for ya? Good thing those elected officials listened to the people when they said they didn't want national health care, when they didn't want to bail out failed corporations, when they wanted to close the borders to foreign invaders.
We are now paying almost 50% effective tax rate. Cain's plan would get that to almost 60% real quick. So you just keep thinking we are still living in a representative republic.
Mark Levin keeps saying he does not know what kind of system we have. Well I think I know. Our form of government should be called a “Matrix” because we are only living with the illusion of freedom.
A VAT and a sales tax are actually opposites. VAT hides taxes throughout the supply chain. The sales tax only taxes a product once when it is finished. No hidden manipulations. That 9% income tax is looking pretty good too.
He must be doing something right because he is 2 pts ahead of the idiot in the WH
—So go sit in the corner, suck your thumb, stop posting and wait for the end to come.—
Actually, it is my own little “Galt’s Gulch”.
—Meanwhile, the rest of us are going to fight until the bitter end.—
You remind me of Dagney Taggart. You go girl, but you need to choose your battles. In my case, I moved from a megalopolis on the left coast to a spectacular little farm in flyover country. I still have my IT job but I just bought a tractor, I’m getting a couple more calves this month and I’m finishing a 40x80 metal building on the property for overal normal purposes as well as a place to house my adult kids if it comes to that.
It really IS a sort of Galt’s Gulch. :-D
That said: It is a smear to conflate what he is proposing with a VAT tax. Much different animal.
baloney excerpting an article and leaving out the most important part is disengenous at the least. I suggest you present your argument in a straightforward manner, and let others make their decisions on good information, not bad. Your credibility is shot to hades by your sneaky little excerpt.
Once again, How about posting the whole article you cite or at least provide a link so others can see for themselves?
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/dean-clancy/herman-cains-999-plan-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugl
.....ADDENDUM: Some may read this post as a brief for a Flat Tax and against the so-called FairTax. That’s not my position. I personally support, very enthusiastically, Cain’s idea of eliminating both the income and payroll taxes. (And both is important — I would want both to go, not just one or the other.) But absent constitutional amendments, the Flat Tax won’t stay flat and the FairTax will become a VAT....
also Dean Clancy the author of the article from freedom works was advisor to Dick Armey, who proposed the Flat Tax....
Read the rest at the link
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