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Is Herman Cain Socially Conservative Enough?
Frum Forum ^ | October 7, 2011 | Mytheos Holt

Posted on 10/07/2011 8:43:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Fantasywriter

It doesn’t matter to me if he chooses Gingrich. Gingrich is not a radical liberal like Romney is.

Romney should never have passed his lips at all.

I’m sure you see the difference.

It’s like your teen saying, “Well my first choice is drinking and driving (romney). But, if that doesn’t work out, I’m going with reading a book in my bedroom (gingrich).


301 posted on 10/07/2011 2:08:00 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

I can see why you refuse to post the quote itself. It’s not even close to what you’re smearing him with.


302 posted on 10/07/2011 2:09:30 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
I can see why you refuse to post the quote itself. It’s not even close to what you’re smearing him with.

Obviously, you aren't even reading and thinking about what I'm writing.

I posted the link and quote at #288. Your above italicized post was #302...more than enough time to read it.

Are you smearing me?

303 posted on 10/07/2011 2:13:10 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: little jeremiah

www.ontheissues.org

Check it out complete with quotes on issues from all candidates.


304 posted on 10/07/2011 2:13:43 PM PDT by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just paler.)
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To: xzins; Fantasywriter
All of the candidates realized it was a hypothetical question. The answer from Cain was “Romney.”

FWIW, when did conservatives get to the point we have to parse words to discern the truth in a statement. Cain has made it clear he prefers Romney over Perry as a VP, or him being the VP. On this alone his conservatism is open to question.

305 posted on 10/07/2011 2:14:03 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: La Enchiladita

got to go conduct a wedding rehearsal. will get with you later on this. Thanks, LE.


306 posted on 10/07/2011 2:14:19 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

Unless you have been non-stop preparing dinner for the past week, that’s a lame excuse for not learning facts. You choose to permanently ignore the facts, thus promoting propaganda. Liberals are known for doing the same.


307 posted on 10/07/2011 2:15:11 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Rick Perry's 2012 campaign is Fred Thompson v2.0)
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To: P-Marlowe
It seems pretty clear to me ... that Cain's supporters are as thin skinned as Palin's unwavering supporters.

From my experience of reviewing a few Cain threads, moreso. I am beginning to wonder if the forum has been infiltrated by "posers," if you know what I mean.

308 posted on 10/07/2011 2:15:30 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: wmfights

When did we get to the point of using ‘game show’ format/context questions and answers to condemn GOP candidates?


309 posted on 10/07/2011 2:18:10 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: xzins

That’s very disturbing.


310 posted on 10/07/2011 2:20:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: xzins
1. His walk-back on the SBA pledge says he’s squishy on pro-life, the most important right God gave us.

False. Cain didn't "walk back" from anything. Trying to get candidates to make "pledges" is juvenile. Cain has a long history of being pro-life and supporting the pro-life movement with his bully pulpit and with his money.

2. He wants to implement a 9% sales tax BEFORE the income tax is repealed, and that will result in an additional tax. His plan to go to (1) get to a 9% income tax, and (2) get to the repeal of the income tax is: Persuasion. He will advance the cause of ridding ourselves of income taxes with a legislature that this historically has loved every tax it has ever seen, and loved raising them even more.

There is no plan that will be successful if politicians refuse to follow it. This does not mean candidates should not come up with plans for fixing the problems of our Country

3. He is squishy of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, thinking that the states trump the 2nd Amendment. (Revealing again a faulty knowledge of the constitution.)

False. Cain has a long history of supporting the 2nd Amendment in line with the decisions of Justices Alito, Scalia and Thomas which provides that states have the authority to place reasonable restrictions on 2nd amendment rights. Maybe they don't understand the Constitution either?

4. He has spoken in favor of a Palestinian “right to return.”

False.

5. He has spoken in favor of quota-less affirmative action.

False.

6. He’s spoken in favor of gay union/marriage.

False.

7. He’s said Romney would be his choice for VP.

In a silly "Game" at the end of a debate he was asked, of the other persons in the debate, which would he choose as VP. Is this what you mean?

You could easily have found out for yourself how groundless the accusations you've made about Cain are. I wonder why you didn't?

311 posted on 10/07/2011 2:22:15 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: reaganaut

Thank you.


312 posted on 10/07/2011 2:22:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: wmfights; xzins; Cincinatus' Wife; P-Marlowe; Girlene; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Just A Nobody

Well, I’m not ignoring the warnings about Perry, which is why I’m in the Cain camp.

It really is sad that you guys keep repeating the same lies about Cain even after we prove otherwise.


313 posted on 10/07/2011 2:23:06 PM PDT by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just paler.)
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To: xzins

Cain is not a questionable social conservative, and Perry ain’t a conservative.


314 posted on 10/07/2011 2:32:25 PM PDT by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just paler.)
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To: Fantasywriter
When did we get to the point of using ‘game show’ format/context questions and answers to condemn GOP candidates?

I just happened to see this at Hot Air:

But, Cain told the National Journal, “Quite frankly, based upon Governor Perry’s position on some issues, I would not be comfortable being his vice presidential nominee.”

But he would be comfortable being Romney's?

I don't know about you, but I don't look at the "gotcha" panels as the best measurement for or against a candidate. My view of Cain diminished dramatically with his failure to sign the Pro-Life pledge and his "parsing" of it. However, his fond view of Romney just adds to my distrust.

I know a lot of FReepers call Perry a rino, but if you look at his positions he's not. Romney on the other hand governed as a liberal in MA..

315 posted on 10/07/2011 2:33:59 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: gwilhelm56

I am putting that as a tagline!


316 posted on 10/07/2011 2:37:07 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Washington,DC is FULL of people with Political Experience... How's that Working out for you??)
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To: CAluvdubya

I was there for the pissant zot.

Pretty much the zot of the century.


317 posted on 10/07/2011 2:39:58 PM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: wmfights

It was a lighthearted moment as the end of the debate. Gingrich called it a game show question. Cain called it a game, but said he would “play”. Yes, he mentioned Romney in that context, but only if Romney would change one of his positions. [Even then, he only said Romney, if he changed, would only ‘have a shot’ - not the same at all as saying, ‘he’s my number one pick’.] Cain also mentioned Gingrich, but somehow that fact is omitted. Why is that?

Personally, I’m not going to judge and condemn a candidate based on what the candidate himself calls a “game” question. It’s of much greater importance to you, however. We see it differently. Just don’t imagine you’re winning Cain people over by misrepresenting the context and content of what he said. All it’s doing is giving the impression of a smear.


318 posted on 10/07/2011 2:44:27 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Newt’s belief in global warming is a deal breaker.

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As is Perry’s in-state tuition for illegals for me a deal breaker.


319 posted on 10/07/2011 2:49:26 PM PDT by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just paler.)
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To: reaganaut

They aren’t even close in comparison. Not by a million miles.


320 posted on 10/07/2011 2:50:39 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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