Is Herman Cain Socially Conservative Enough?

Frum Forum ^ | October 7, 2011 | Mytheos Holt

[Fantasywriter]

How about an exact quote, along w a source/link.

[P-Marlowe]

Herman Cain: “The role of government, in my view, is to maintain an equal balanced playing field for the citizens and for our society. Not to throw it out of balance.”

Wow, that's kinda scary.

And who in the government gets to decide when and how that playing field is going to be equalized?

Isn't that the goal of all liberals? To equalize the playing field. To redistribute opportunities and income?

Maybe he was just shooting his mouth off. But then when he does it, invariably he shoots himself in the foot.

Cain is the flavor of the week..... Sarah Palin.

[reaganaut]

I’m surprised they haven’t showed up with the “Cain endorsed Romney in 2008 meme yet”.

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They have. I saw that one the other by some of these same Perry-dactyls.

SoL, do you have that graphic handy? I forgot to copy it the other day.

[P-Marlowe]

If the campaign season was say 3 or 4 months, stuffed with debates, it wouldn’t cost so much money.

Indeed. But it's not. We have to deal with reality. The reality is that it is going to take 75 to 100 million dollars or more between now and June to compete with Romney. There are no candidates running right now other than Perry who will be able to generate that kind of political contributions.

[Fantasywriter]

While you are looking for the exact quote and link, I’ll mention that he did not say what you said he did.

But don’t take my word for it. Produce the link [since you’re the one who ‘quoted’ him], and we can both read it firsthand.

[xzins]

I just word-searched the entire US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and all of the additional amendments.

The word "advance" does NOT appear at all in any place in any of the US Constitution.

So...there is no claim that can be made about "technically" "advance" being more constitutional. It isn't constitutional at all.

It is simply a descriptive word used by commentators, and it is the responsibility of the message sender to be clear about what he/she means.

Advancing legislation means promoting it.

In fact, in looking at Article 2, Section 3 about the President the constitution says: "Section. 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient;

So, Cain is wrong. The president CAN have a role even in INITIATING or PROMOTING by "recommendation" based purely on his judgment about "necssary" and "expedient" concerns.

This case is now CLOSED.

[Meet the New Boss]

Maybe. Right now, I'd give any random person off the street, if they were affiliated with the Tea Party, the keys to the oval office, if it would mean evicting the Marxist in Chief. We could then make sure our Random Person took a crash course in Constitutional theory from, say, Heritage, then hold them accountable as they go forward. We no longer have a viable, fire in the belly reformer on the table, all other options are tainted one way or another, so we should at least consider someone who is an amateur, as long as he is our amateur.

Here's a prediction.

As time goes on if Bachmann continues to poll weakly, none of the others breaks through and the race shapes up as a three-man race between Romney, Perry and Cain, I think we will see a certain fire in the belly reformer from the far north endorse Cain and campaign with him, perhaps thereby giving him the decisive edge to beat the Republican establishment.

I don't think she will do it before Bachmann gets out of the race and only after waiting a period of time to make sure Cain does not somehow implode like Perry did and he proves consistently effective at dealing with the gotcha MSM.

In a three-man race between the establishment RINO Romney, the compassionate conservative Perry and Tea Party darling Cain, I see Sarah openly taking sides with the Tea Party candidate.

If Cain implodes and it becomes two-man race between Rommey and Perry I predict that she will not endorse one of them until after the nomination and will campaign for whomever the Republican nominee is the general election.

[xzins]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/22/fox-news-google-gop-2012-presidential-debate/

if Governor Romney would throw out his jobs growth plan and replace it with 999, he has a shot

(Romney was his first choice that came to mind.)

[Paperdoll]

Whoever wrote that piece is not a very good writer. Sounds like walking on eggs for the Establishment.

[Fantasywriter]

Cain first disqualified the question by calling it “game show” [i.e.: a joke], and then said he would ‘consider’ (i.e.: not ‘choose’ but ‘consider’ [in a game show format, only] Gringrich or Romney, the latter, however, only if he would modify his position. How is that saying, ‘Romney is my first choice’?

You left out a lot more of his answer than you included. That is a smear.

[NautiNurse]

You erroneously stated Cain wanted to increase taxes and he worked for the Fed. Time and again your were encouraged to research the Class C type of board position Cain held.

Rather than researching the truth via facts, you repeatedly avoided the truth by ignoring the Class C status of Cain's board position.

NautiNurse to xsins: You haven’t figured out yet what a Class C Board Director of the Federal Reserve is yet, have you?

Instead of researching facts and honesty, you instead choose to permanently ignore the facts, thus promoting propaganda:

xzins to NautiNurse: I posted Cain’s title. Does anything else matter?

Why does a retired chaplain avoid the truth? :::shudders:::

[xzins]

That’s crazy. Romney was the first name that came to his mind.

And, those well read among us know that he endorsed Romney last time.

All of the candidates realized it was a hypothetical question. The answer from Cain was “Romney.”

That was the first name came out of his lips. Deny it all you want, but it’s true. I remember sitting there stunned that he said it. I had no idea he’d been a Romney supporter in the past.

[reaganaut]

Could it be they don’t have excellent legal advisors, time in government, and/or education?

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IMO, this is where Cain’s lack of political office shows. I think your comment is more accuarate than you realize. Cain is minding his P’s and Q’s, he is probably taking a strict definition of ‘advancing’ rather than a popular definition, which other candidates may have. Second, he probably did do more research about ‘advancing’ legislation than other candidate, because he hasn’t held office. Finally, other candidates are aware they can do things that sound good, and not have to keep promises like this.

My gut says this is the guy we need, not another politician.

[wmfights]

Maybe he was just shooting his mouth off. But then when he does it, invariably he shoots himself in the foot.

This is where having held political office is not a negative. Perry took a lot of heat with his "heartless" comment, but I think he was targeting those middle class suburban moms that are part of the "moderate" middle and improved his image with them.

Cain took a shot at the Wall Street protesters saying in effect it's their fault if they haven't achieved the American Dream. He's right that we are personally accountable, but how will those same middle class suburban moms see that comment. If he's our nominee you can bet obama will make use of his "insensitivity to those who are suffering because of corporate greed".

The way a candidate is going to be perceived is being established now.

[Fantasywriter]

So he didn’t call it a game show question? He didn’t mention Gingrich? He didn’t say, in effect, ‘Gingrich as is, but Romney only if he changes’?

Really? All he said, was, ‘Romney is my first choice’.

Really?

[xzins]

I recall you were the same one posting inaccurate information about Cain's Class C director position with the Kansas City fed.

You say that I posted inaccurate information and this post is the best you can do, a post in which I said I posted Cain's title.

If ANYONE owes anyone an apology for misremembering, mistating, and/or misrepresenting, then it is you, NN.

I now remember telling someone (you?) that I was busy getting dinner together and for you to TELL ME why you were so concerned with "class c". I never posted ANYTHING about "class c" and to this day I don't know a thing about it.

I DO know that Cain was Head of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. That's what I posted

[La Enchiladita]

The Moderator put it.

Does this mean that you, spetznaz, requested the moderator to add "barf alert" or do you have moderator privileges?

I'm just curious because you, spetznaz, seem to pay VERY CLOSE attention to other posters, yet close attention to you, your profile and postings raises some "interesting" questions. I think that is how you referred to me on another thread, as "interesting," at the same time you couldn't believe that I haven't been banned yet (due to my questions about Herman Cain and the ensuing vigorous discussion).

[Paperdoll]

>No peace No Vicatory”<

Are you sure you haven’t transposed your Churchill quote? “No Victory No peace” makes more sense to me.

[xzins]

He might be OK, but to get me on board he has to clear up the things on my squishy list.

[reaganaut]

I suspect he will work to divide the conservative vote and then when Romney appears to be close to having sewn up the nomination, Cain will drop out and support Romney to angle himself for the VP slot.

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Wanna bet on that?