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Heinlein on Patriotism
www.stolinsky.com ^ | 08-03-11 | stolinsky

Posted on 08/03/2011 6:46:27 PM PDT by stolinsky

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1 posted on 08/03/2011 6:46:29 PM PDT by stolinsky
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To: Travis McGee

Ping.


2 posted on 08/03/2011 6:56:41 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: stolinsky

bump for later


3 posted on 08/03/2011 6:56:57 PM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: KevinDavis

Heinlein ping


4 posted on 08/03/2011 6:58:59 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: stolinsky
I do not think anyone can define behavior that tends toward extinction as being “moral” without stretching the word “moral” all out of shape.

It's happening all the time now with "gay culture," global warming, fight for malaria and against DDT, etc. etc. Anything is moral according to them, even if you happen to kill millions of humans in the process.

Stalin and Hitler and Mao are probably no longer the greatest villains of this civilization. All they did is they destroyed some millions of bodies. Modern politicians let people keep their bodies but destroy their mind - and they do it to hundreds of millions of people.

5 posted on 08/03/2011 7:03:08 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: dynachrome

Read it before, happy to read it again. I always do get a little teary eyed at the end.


6 posted on 08/03/2011 7:09:17 PM PDT by LauraJean (sometimes I win sometimes I donate to the equine benevolent society)
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To: goodnesswins

Ping


7 posted on 08/03/2011 7:09:53 PM PDT by blackd77
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To: stolinsky

Excellent read.
Thanks for posting.


8 posted on 08/03/2011 7:13:08 PM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: stolinsky
A BTT. For those unfamiliar with him, this fellow Heinlein was an obscure junior Naval Officer who left the Navy on a medical discharge due to tuberculosis. Not sure what happened to him after that but I hear he wrote some stuff... ;-)

Oh, and Asimov, who knew him, called him a "flaming liberal" at the time. That one always cracks me up.

9 posted on 08/03/2011 7:28:14 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: stolinsky

It’s impossible to know which phrase or sentence to highlight; they are all so right and correct. Heinlein is like that. Reading his prose is like discovering an apple tree with perfect fruit. Which do you pick?

Anyway, here’s my humble choice:

Your most important classroom is Memorial Hall. Your most important lesson is the way you feel inside when you walk up those steps and see that shot-torn flag framed in the arch of the door: “Don’t give up the ship.”

If you feel nothing, you don’t belong here. But if it gives you goose flesh just to see that old battle flag, then you are going to find that feeling increasing every time you return here over the years, until it reaches a crescendo the day you return and read the list of your own honored dead ? classmates, shipmates, friends ? read them with grief and pride while you try to keep your tears silent.

(How true and the fruit is perfect)


10 posted on 08/03/2011 7:28:58 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: stolinsky

Heinlien was the writer that had the greatest effect on my young mind. I wish I had met him. A couple of people I did meet when I was young besides my dad were Ron Paul and Chris Kraft

Thanks for posting this..


11 posted on 08/03/2011 7:29:43 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: isthisnickcool

But if what he wrote influenced you, in a real sense you DID meet him.


12 posted on 08/03/2011 7:35:35 PM PDT by stolinsky
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To: stolinsky

I grok that.


13 posted on 08/03/2011 7:44:53 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: stolinsky

I Grok!


14 posted on 08/03/2011 7:46:16 PM PDT by AdamsPapers (Go Navy, Beat Army!)
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bfl


15 posted on 08/03/2011 7:48:00 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Gov. Perry is a solid conservative... as long as it's campaign season.)
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To: stolinsky

Thanks for the post; I didn’t know this about Heinlein.


16 posted on 08/03/2011 7:49:38 PM PDT by andyk (Interstate != Intrastate)
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To: blackd77

Thanks...saved to read later


17 posted on 08/03/2011 7:50:45 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: stolinsky
One of their favorite quotations is: “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” ...What they never mention is that the man who made that sneering remark was a fat, gluttonous slob who was pursued all his life by a pathological fear of death.

RAH is quite unfair to Dr. Johnson.

The actual quote, as taken from Boswell's biography: "Patriotism having become one of our topicks, Johnson suddenly uttered, in a strong determined tone, an apophthegm, at which many will start: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." But let it be considered, that he did not mean a real and generous love of our country, but that pretended patriotism which so many, in all ages and countries, have made a cloak of self-interest."

I really doubt RAH would disagree.

18 posted on 08/03/2011 7:57:25 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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One of their favorite quotations is: “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” ...What they never mention is that the man who made that sneering remark was a fat, gluttonous slob who was pursued all his life by a pathological fear of death.

RAH is quite unfair to Dr. Johnson.

Actually “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel” is one of the all-time two most misconstrued phrases. The other is Asimov's favorite "Violence is the last resort of the incompetent"

Think about the literal meaning of the words used.

"Only the incompetent wait until the last extremity to use force, and by then, it is usually too late to use anything, even prayer." - H. Beam Piper

19 posted on 08/03/2011 8:09:53 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: Billthedrill

Oh, and Asimov, who knew him, called him a ‘flaming liberal’ at the time. That one always cracks me up.”

Maybe he skipped “Starship Troopers” and “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress,” only catching “Stranger In A Strange Land,” which probably could have been written by a hippie (without being a satire).


20 posted on 08/03/2011 8:12:08 PM PDT by Tublecane
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