US SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT STATES THAT OBAMA IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT

naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ^ | 06/21/2011 | Leo Donofrio

[Squeeky]

Actually, I first published that one on September 30, 2010. I started using the Squeeky website as a repository for most of my Internet Articles and if I edited one, or something it could have gotten on there twice.

Vattel Birthers Should Just STFU!!!

What happened was that I would be somewhere just beating Obots like carpets over a clothesline and some Vattle Birther would get on the thread and here came all these long cut and paste jobs that just confused the heck out of everybody, and the Obots would post long cut and paste stuff back at them, and people would lose track of the important stuff.

Which still happens. Like this law case tonight which doesn't even mean what the Vattle Birther said it meant and isn't going to convince anybody of anything. Where, if people would stay on important stuff like WHY it took Obama 3 years to cough up a $14 document, there is still a lot of room to slam Obama.

Plus, I have NEVER seen a Vattle Birther win an argument, whereas I clobber Obots all the time. So There!!!

[philman_36]

...if you dig deeper you will see another Internet Article, my first one about Vattle, that I wrote last year.
Well since you're so good at giving links why don't you just give it?

(I don’t spell Vattel right on purpose because it just seems so stupid to me.) Anyway, Vattle is a 300 year old French person from France so who cares what he thinks about anything!!! Plus, I have suggested the Vattle Birthers sue Obama in Lousiana which has French laws, and see if they can win there. Which I doubt.
With logic like that you're sure to go far!

[philman_36]

Where, if people would stay on important stuff like WHY it took Obama 3 years to cough up a $14 document, there is still a lot of room to slam Obama.
That is the most stupid thing you've posted so far.

Like this law case tonight which doesn't even mean what the Vattle Birther said it meant and isn't going to convince anybody of anything.
You've convinced me! You know this for fact yet you think that "Ark" in Wong Kim Ark means Arkansas.

...whereas I clobber Obots all the time.
Well pony that stuff up girl! Strut your stuff with some links where you do just that. I have yet to see it. I've seen links where you've said you busted some Obot's chops and not you actually doing it.

[Squeeky]

Uh, I DID give you a link to the earliest publishing (9/30/2010) at 141. Here it is again:

Vattel Birthers Should Just STFU!!!

Since you are supposedly "busting me out" (OH Tee Hee!) you might like this Internet Article. Dr. Taitz even published it IN FULL on her website:

No Brainer - $10 Birth Certificate or $23,876 to Lock Up Lakin For A Year!

[Squeeky]

Here is where the latest PJFogey fight started: Gratewire Thread

I will find you some more. I think the comments part at Obama Conspiracy Theories are closed down where you can't see the older ones.

Gretawire was closed down by Greta Van Susteran after PJFoggy, rikker, and Bovril and others disrupted the forum.

But, there is still 6 months or so of debate on the new Gratewire. I will try to find some of the better ones, or you can go there and just clicky on my name thingy and it will show you my threads and posts.

[philman_36]

Another shining example of your astounding intellect...
Squeeky Fromm September 30, 2010 at 11:13 pm
The Vattle birthers are all those people who say it takes two American parents to make a president person legal, and sometimes its this or that, but really the law is you just have to be born here. Period. There is a law case and some Chinese guy, too.
But I don’t understand all the stuff either and THAT IS WHAT MAKES ME SUSPICIOUS. I read the Vattle birthers and try and I just get pissed off and mad, and then I have to fix a drink, and then I still can’t follow all the stuff.

[Squeeky]

Thank you!!! I bookmarked that page. I thought all the old comments were closed down. Anyway, that is the first night I debated Obotski at Obotski Central. That was when I shot down the "The Obamas Could Not have Afforded To Fly To Kenya" Obotski Argument.

I later made it into a Internet Article.

How Birthers Can Debunk The Obot's Airplane Argument

[philman_36]

Anyway, that is the first night I debated Obotski at Obotski Central.
Okay, if you say so.

You're all over the place and it isn't flattering...
squeeky fromm Jennifer4Hillary

[Squeeky]

I am NOT that person and I don’t know why they keep saying it. Oh, it was fun reading back though that thread because I have certainly come a long way since then. Once I invented the KISS stuff the Obots got a lot easier to beat and on comment threads at newspapers and things I was really convincing a lot of people and getting a lot of “likes”.

I stopped arguing on Obama Conspiracy Theories back in January 2011 when they accused me of being a racist for spelling Fukino’s name as ‘Frujinko”, and threatened to ban me, which was absurd.

Sooo, now if I post anything it is as The Head Researcher and I just comment and don’t argue with them because it is like a group thinking echo chamber except for Dr. C and maybe one or two others. Plus, a lot of them come to Gratewire anyway.

Maybe you should read through some of my stuff and even if you stay a Vattle Birther, you will at least learn some good techniques to beat Obots in arguments.

Right now the Obotski are still in high gear on this stuff and they are still spreading some of the same lies that we are racists and stuff, and I have several Internet Articles on refuting that, and am going to write more. Because that part is going to get even worse the closer we get to 2012.

[BladeBryan]

editor-surveyor wrote:

This is nothing new. We’ve been discussing this case for two and a half years, and the honest among us have always agreed that MvH firmly established natural born citizenship as that of the child of two citizen parents.

Thing is, real legal scholars have been discussing it since before we were born. In the 1800's there were still doubts, but they were settled. As late as 1916 Breckinridge Long argued that Charles Evans Hughes was ineligible for the presidency, but Long's argumed that Hughes' citizenship must be considered as under the laws existing when Hughes was born, which was prior to the 14'th Amendment.

In our time, the remaining doubts were about jus sanguinis:

"It is clear enough that native-born citizens are eligible and that naturalized citizens are not. The recurring doubts relate to those who have acquired United States citizenship through birth abroad to American parents." [Charles Gordon, Who Can Be President of the United States: The Unresolved Enigma, 28 Md. L. Rev. 1, 19 (1968).]

"It is well settled that 'native-born' citizens, those born in the United States, qualify as natural born. It is also clear that persons born abroad of alien parents, who later become citizens by naturalization, do not. But whether a person born abroad of American parents, or of one American and one alien parent, qualifies as natural born has never been resolved." [Jill Pryor, 'The Natural-Born Citizen Clause and Presidential Eligibility', 97 Yale Law Journal 881-889 (1988).]

I'd say that John McCain's candidacy settled the remaining doubts. "Natural-born United States citizen" means a United States citizen who has become a United States citizen at the moment of his or her birth.

There is not a shred of foundation for any other position.

Pure fantasy.

[Jeff Winston]

ping for later. maybe.

[Jeff Winston]

ping for later, perhaps.

[philman_36]

Maybe you should read through some of my stuff and even if you stay a Vattle Birther, you will at least learn some good techniques to beat Obots in arguments.

I have been reading your stuff! I hope it pays you well. I'm dumber for just having read it! And in my non-professional opinion...you're friggin' nuts!

And why in the hell would I want to follow any advice from a person who denigrates me whilst professing to not understand an issue and categorically declares that people who do understand it don't really know what they're doing?!

And as to winning arguments I would rather follow something a little more legitimate the the prattling of a women who has no basic understanding of many things on many levels.
Try reading this yourself!
Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1 - Propaganda Techniques

[Squeeky]

Well, since you think you are sooo smart, then YOU go to Obotski Central and YOU try arguing your Vattle Stuff there and see how long it takes for them to chew you up and spit you out. OK.

Meantime, I chew THEM up and spit THEM out sooo bad, they had to invent reasons to run me off.

So There!!!

[philman_36]

...then YOU go to Obotski Central and YOU try arguing your Vattle Stuff there and see how long it takes for them to chew you up and spit you out.
Who the hell do you think you are to tell me what to do, retread?!

Despite your purported age you're still a child.

[Squeeky]

Oh what, is the Big brave grunty little Malebeast afraid to go there and strut his stuff??? I am just a poor little Girl Reporter, and I went there all by my little lonesome self and debated many times, just me against 20 or so grown up Obotski, and as I learned more, pretty soon I had THEM begging for mercy.

So YOU just go on with your Big Self, and priss right off in there and start telling them all about this case and how it shows Obama is ineligible. See how long it is before you run out crying like a baby.

They won’t keep you from posting or debating as long as you are civil. Soooo just go on Big Boy and show me what you got. (Unless, you are too CHICKEN!!!)

So There!!!

[philman_36]

Oh, please! Don't drag out that tired old Jill Pryor crap! Even she stated this...
The Natural-Born Citizen Clause and Presidential Eligibility: An Approach for Resolving Two Hundred Years of Uncertainty
This Note (that means "this paper is nothing more than my opinion") argues that the natural-born citizen clause can only be properly understood if we appreciate the interplay of that clause with the naturalization powers clause of article 1,¹⁰ as modified by section one of the Fourteenth Amendment.¹¹
So according to her there was no way to determine who was and wasn't a natural born citizen before the passage of the 14th Amendment?! That's just ludicrous on its face!
And for Gordon...
2000 CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOREIGN-BORN CITIZENS TO BE PRESIDENT HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED SIXTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION ON H.J.Res. 88
JULY 24, 2000
Over 30 years ago a legal scholar, Charles Gordon, addressed the question of whether people born overseas to United States citizens could be called ''natural born'' citizens and hence be eligible to be President. After reviewing the legal history of the clause and subsequent legislation, Gordon answers this question in the affirmative. However, he also points out that the Supreme Court has never ruled on the issue and that ''that the picture is clouded by elements of doubt.'' This analysis leads him to the following conclusion:
It is unfortunate that doubts remain on an issue of such vital importance to many Americans. We live in a fluid and ever diminishing world. The interests of our nation and its people are constantly expanding and millions of Americans reside for short or long periods in foreign countries. They are there in pursuit of inspiration, enlightenment, profit, pleasure, repose or escape. All of these have a right to retain their status as American citizens while they live abroad. One can perceive no sound reason for shutting off aspiration to the Presidency for the children born to them while they are temporarily sojourning in foreign countries.

In the 1800's there were still doubts, but they were settled.
Oh? How were they settled?

[philman_36]

WOW! I haven't seen a good "Whig Out" in quite some time.
Well done!

[philman_36]

But whether a person born abroad of American parents, or of one American and one alien parent, qualifies as natural born has never been resolved.
Oh, one other thing. The "official, I shit you not" BC has been released and Gordon doesn't apply as the birth in question was stateside, not abroad.

[philman_36]

By the by...do you have anything more than just that small snippet of Gordon's. I see you've posted it several times so I'm assuming you have something more substantial than just that.
I can't seem to find much of his work online anywhere.