Can't very well get a renewal if there wasn't a previous one. Passports are good for 5 years. This renewal was in '65 meaning the previous one was issued in '60 a year before the oh, so blessed event.
Posted on 06/09/2011 1:51:48 PM PDT by rxsid
Oooohh.. Good point! Do we know for sure she renewed it?
A classic FINO Clymer (Clown?) or a clone of N-S, even Polarik was in the mix BEFORE Dec. 2008, and Andy Martin was after this clown’s dear criminal usurper now in the whitie-hut back to March of 2007. Hello, time for you go back to DU where you really belong!!!
Nobody had any interest in lying because they foresaw that one day Obama would be President. But his parents and grandparents had plenty of reasons to lie about it.
And I'm afraid that the Hawaii records office regularly lied about the birthplace of immigrants, on a massive scale. So it would have been nothing special for them to have certified that he was born in Hawaii, when he was not.
And I'm afraid that the Hawaii records office regularly lied about the birthplace of immigrants, on a massive scale. So it would have been nothing special for them to have certified that he was born in Hawaii, when he was not.
I agree. Any Deceit in 1961 would have been confined to the family members. The State officials simply followed their routine procedures.
“And is the “fraud” the END of the story according to you???”
Don’t be a dummy.
So where are the posts? Sure, people were discussing the birth certificate back then. That's why Obama released his short form. Nobody was discussing the two citizen parent issue until Donofrio v. Wells in December of 2008.
Can't very well get a renewal if there wasn't a previous one. Passports are good for 5 years. This renewal was in '65 meaning the previous one was issued in '60 a year before the oh, so blessed event.
Prove your assertion.
Until you offer proof, you’re just blowing smoke.
No.
The woman’s family has been threatened. They have already lost two members, both murdered. The extended family is back in the U.S.A., and know that to publicly talk equals death for all of them.
this thread is startin to be a scary place...
In the Spring of 2008, birthers were talking about the possibility of a Kenyan birth and whether Obama's mother was old enough to pass on citizenship. In wasn't until a few months later that Donofrio and others started posting about Vattel and the idea that Obama needs two citizen parents to be a true natural born citizen.
The United States has become a scary place.
There were similar posts focusing on just the dual-citizenship question going back to about August, mostly because of a lawsuit from 9/11 truther Phil Berg.
Very good catch. Now what would a girl be needing a passport for in 1960? Trips to Canada when she lived in Seattle?
I think the documents were created in 1962/63 because SAD left Washington and returned to Hawaii and collected food stamps according to David Reminck's book, "The Bridge, The Life and Rise of Barack Obama". She would have to have a birth certificate to collect food stamps, right?
I don't think people were concerned about Obama until he beat Hillary. Everyone thought Hillary would take him out. Why discuss him if he is (at the time) a non-issue?
People familiar with crossing the border from the US to Canada and back at the time have stated you didn’t really need a passport back then.
I have no idea. Presumably she could have just showed up at the DHS office (or whatever office) with a baby in her arms and they would have assumed he existed. I don't know.
I have no doubt that at some point she had some sort of Birth Certificate from Hawaii. I just don't know if it is a real one or an Amended or Born at home one.
I have read that myself several times, and I believe it. So why would a girl need a passport in 1960? Most of the year was BEFORE she met Obama. Is it reasonable to surmise she only got one AFTER meeting him?
I really don't think they went to Kenya. Everything i've read indicates they couldn't afford it. Perhaps if she LIVED in Canada? I know her Uncle was stationed in Newfoundland in 1959. His and Aunt Eleanor's children are buried there.
Anyways, the indicated existence of a 1960 passport is another piece of the puzzle.
Looking at the ‘68 passport renewal that was posted. I noticed the emergency contact was Stanley Armour Durham. I thought he was a furniture salesman (by all accounts). Yet, the form says to contact HIM at the Bank of Hawaii. Madelyn was the one that worked at the bank; why would SAD list dad c/o the bank????
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