Posted on 05/01/2011 7:24:18 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
Simple - just show me where God speaks out against ‘human’ sacrifice, and then also show me where He is required to follow all of His own mandates.
Everything in the Bible He told us so that:
a) we could see the true conditions of sin in our lives and
b) to make our lives better whether here and now or best of all in the after-life.
Living a sacrificial life equates to the highest degrees of happiness and contentment possible.
Also Jesus said [paraphrased] there is no greater love than this that one should lay down his life to spare the life of a friend or a loved one.
...torrents of idiotic, veiled or explicit insults are doled out - completely oblivious to how seriously such behaviour damages their cause - or how happy it makes me to see that I have been vindicated by their vileness.
Wait a second. Not so fast. You can't have it both ways. By referring to a moral problem you are assuming a whole host of things that are self-vitiating. If you are going to presuppose that something in a naturalistic, impersonal, self-caused universe isn't functioning as it 'ought' to function then you owe an account such a notion, because on your terms there isn't any foundation for the existence of morality or moral incumbency in the first place. How can you account in Darwinian terms for assuming that something is not acting as it ought to act? You can't. The concept is an oxymoron, because you can't use it without smuggling in teleology, which is anathema to Darwinistic history.
You inconsistently assume that there is some absolute standard of moral obligation, moral decency and fairness when it is impossible for you on your terms to justify such a standard rationally. Moral disagreements make no sense without presupposing an absolute standard. Please explain exactly how the neuronal electrochemical reactions of your Darwinian brain are prescriptive of "good and evil", "right and wrong", "vile and pure".
Your moral prescriptions and complaints are completely baseless, contradictory and incoherent if such values, as you will sometimes insist, are merely conventional, like driving on the right side of the road instead of the left.
Cordially
Is that a fact or just your belief? If it is a statement of faith then state is as such; if it is a statement of fact, prove it.
In fact He knows of all these decisions and knows all of us before we are even born
In fact? Facts are provable. You want to give it a try?
We know the Bible to be God’s Word because man can not accurately predict future events esp. in great detail
You mean, you merely believe the Bible is God's Word (you mean Word (Logos), as in Jesus Christ? Are you saying the Bible is Jesus Christ?)?
And what does the Bible say accurately about tomorrow?
This is so, whether we have heard of Him or not.
The Father's Will will be done in all things, on earth as it is in heaven, in and through Christ alone. Christ knows his own ... and they know Him.
Thank you for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
So it seems you are a catholic as you feed off of their words - and they do not have the Truth in them. Some posters here have no credibility - their posts screams of ‘needing attention’. Wouldn’t be surprised if they could be here for some mental therapy - to fill that need. You would be better off listening to a 5 year old - at least they know the meaning of a Gift.
I liked your quote.
It is my tagline for a while.
They really don't care about reason, in the end. Bottom line, if anything, they have contempt for reason — if it points to conclusions about the world which they do not like. And so, they prefer to deal in wrecking balls....
Let me paraphrase Patton. The goal is not for you to die for your country, the goal is for you to make the other guy die for his country.
Real Christians knew that simple truth. That is why they blessed the bombs, planes and ships that went out to war.
That is spitting in the face of God and trampling underfoot the blood of Christ.
Anyone with that mentality is not saved and not ever likely to be saved.
That is the interesting thing about the Bible and Christianity. The whole premise of the Bible is prophecy, the word of God is supposedly prophecy. The whole basis of the Bible is predicting the future.
And yet the Bible can't make a single, accurate, verifiable, prediction. Can anyone say oops?
You've been given that answer before and chosen to ignore it. There is no salvation outside of Jesus. It's through Him always.
If they follow the light that they have received about God and His commandments out of faith, they are still serving Jesus even if they can't put a name to it.
God does not address in Scripture how He plans on specifically dealing with those who have never heard. Therefore your demands for an answer are only going to be someone's conclusion based on Scripture which suggests how He will judge. One passage is Romans 2, which you have been given a few times. There are others. Suffice to say that God will judge justly any who never actually heard the name of Jesus and is not willing that any should perish.
That still doesn't change things for you as you have heard and are accountable for what you do with the knowledge you have, which at this point far surpasses that of the *ignorant tribal*.
The Bible is full of contradictions which the Christians, naturally, deny. it is true that the Bible offers weak eveidence of God's prohibition of human sacrifice; those who cliam it does offer merely three verses (Genesis 22:10-13, Leviticus 18:21, Deuteronomy 18:10); those who claim it doesn't offer more!
Nevertheless, historical evuidence of Jewish recorded sacrificial practices shows that the ancient Jews did not practice it or condone it, and that this prohibition was based on their interpretation of scriptures, naturally.
The idea that a man can be put to death in place of an animal to "please" God is not supported by any evidence of recorded Jewish history. Therefore the whole Christian idea of Christ being put to death as a sacrificial animal is baseless.
The other side of that coin is the Christian lack of understanding of Jewish sacrificial rites. Animal and grain sacrifices could be offered only for unintentional sins. For intentional sins, the only acceptable atonement was (and is) repentance, not spilled blood.
The Bible is clear that, once the Law has been instituted, no man can atone for another man's sins.
This suggestes that Christ could not die because he was a soul that didn't sin. This was the reason the Jews rejected the idea and called it a bluff. In other words, if it was true that Christ was without sin, then his death was faked because he couldn;t die. And if he did die, then he wans't without sin.
Finally, the Passover Lamb was not sacrificed as sin offering. the lamb did not atone for anyone's sins. Therefore Christ could not be a a Paasover Lamb that atones for anyone's (unintentional) sins.
The whole purpose of the Passover lamb was to show that Jews did not worship idols. They killed the Egyptian sacred animal and descertaed it by smearing its blood on their homes, and then ate the slaughtered animal. For their desecration of an idol god's spirit of God spared those homes from killing the firstborn, man and animal.
The animal that takes on the sins of man is not a lam but a (Yom Kippur) goat! No one ever compares Chirst to a Yom Kippur goat! The sinner lays his hands on the animal's head an "transfers" his sins onto the animal who is then either let go or killed, but never offered at the altar.
Clearly, the Christians changed things a little bit (to put it miidly) and made up a whole new religion from it.
God is infinite.
There would be no end of exploring Him through a relationship with Him. That quest for knowledge would be lifelong and immensely satisfying as one could never exhaust the pool of things there are to learn about God.
Cradle Eastern Orthodox until religious squabbles gave me enough reason to become doubtful.
You deny Christ's divinity and resurrection. I guess that's okay with some "Christians" here.
Spot on.
God is infinite.
There would be no end of exploring Him through a relationship with Him. That quest for knowledge would be lifelong and immensely satisfying as one could never exhaust the pool of things there are to learn about God.
Those same questions that JCB is asking, can be and have been asked by believers throughout the centuries. Becoming a believe doesn’t mean you can’t ask those questions and find an answer. You can just do it while you’re saved instead of damned.
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