Posted on 05/01/2011 7:24:18 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
LOL! Another intellectual heavyweight. And your argument for Christianity is what? That YOU believe in it per chance??? Got any other?
Good one.
No, I ask questions because I am interested in substantive answers. The questions I asked are simple questions. You don't need to answer with anything more than "yes" or "no."
But cowards never do live up to the challenge. They spit, and insult, and drag on, and procrastinate, and belittle, and engage in amateur mind reading and psychoanalysis in order to smear their opponents, like all the hateful classical nutcases Nietzsche rightfully described as the people of ressentiment.
So, I will give you one more chance to answer my questions simply with a "yes" or "no", and give you a chance to show what you really are for the whole world to know and for the record to show.
What? That the Bible is 'perspicuous'? You need to hang out with the OPC crown on the Religion Forum.
I have, however, heard many Christians assert that a five-year-old could understand the Gospel
Last time I checked, Calvinists are Christians.
Awesome list!!!! Amazingly true in EVERY point, especially nailing the very few that pop up on Free Republic now and then. Thank you!
Exactly. Basic stuff.
In fact, it clashes with the Bible: no man can atone for another's sins. Now, the Christians will tell you that Jesus is God. yes, but he is also a man. God didn't suffer and die or atone for anyone. Rather, it was Jesus in his human nature who suffered and died (deity, i.e. divine nature, is not subject to suffering or death).
Please, do share with us the Scriptures that support your contentions.
Gentlemen,
Permit me to respond please as I have been following this discussion thread off and on for some time and as I recall I have posted to both of you in the past.
You both project a morally superior tone and a belief that
science has somehow dis-proven the Bible. Your problems are anemic to all ~ the universal sinful nature is built upon pride ~ we all would like to have it our own way [even when ‘our way’ changes with the years, months, days or even hours & minutes].
The primary problem is understanding that all of us fallen creatures are spiritually blind and often apply reverse-logic [which is not logic at all] for all our rationalizations and justifications. Now all you really have to do [rather than arguing endlessly w/ any and all who will debate you] is to research truthfully and sincerely to dis-prove the Bible.
Suggestion - start w/ Psalm 22 [right in front of the most famous of all - Psalm 23] and show everyone how Jesus Christ did not fulfill all of these prophecies written approx 1,000 years before his time.
Or show us where the Bible is wrong on the historical record. Or make some ‘improvements’ to the 10 commandments. Or how about living just one day without 1 iota of sin in your actions, your words AND in your thoughts.
I don’t say any of this out of some sense of moral superiority rather I know in my heart I need Jesus Christ b/c on my own I am a sinner the same as all mankind and the wages of sin is death.
Do you not see the prideful arrogance by anyone other than whom you’ve named earlier, on this thread? Why have you not admonished them, if you do see it?
Your honesty in answering this will be a measure of your honesty in your humility claimed in the previous post.
Human rights are a human invention, xzins, not some tangible entity. It is an idea that the current world is willing to embrace based on the principles of the Golden Rule.
The proof you demand is meaningless. There is no validity to prove; it's a convention, and agreement, among the peoples of the world and it is based on the most primitive and oldest 'morality', that precedes all religions, namely the Golden Rule.
While you can argue with my faith in God, you cannot disagree that a metaphysical route is the only way to get to a universal right to life.
Metaphysics has nothing to do with human rights, xzins. Human rights is a human idea based on the realization that that is everyobne's world and that you and I have equal birthrights to be here.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights."
Where does the Bible say that, xzins? We know that we are all created equal, by virtue of our biology (the union of two haploids), and that, by convention we acknowledge something we call the "birthright." But that is not something that 'exists' in the universe. It is a human idea that we have accepted as universally applicable to all human members of the homo sapines species, by convention.
It is notable that not even the people who coined that memorable and historic phrase continued to treat some people as not created equal. And that the society founded on that frase did not give women the right to vote (a basic human right!) for more than a century. Sometimes we are just in love with an idea but not necessarily in carrying it out. I suppose it's easier to be a Christian in theory than in practice.
Good stuff. Thanks for the ping!
Like what? That the sun doesn't "stand" still for 24 hours? You can't be serious!
Suggestion - start w/ Psalm 22 [right in front of the most famous of all - Psalm 23] and show everyone how Jesus Christ did not fulfill all of these prophecies written approx 1,000 years before his time.
And you know that he did how?
Or show us where the Bible is wrong on the historical record
You mean like archaeological evidence lacking that the Jews were ever in Sinai, that Exodus never happened? Some pretty leading Israeli archaeologists say it didn't. What say you?
I don’t say any of this out of some sense of moral superiority rather I know in my heart I need Jesus Christ b/c on my own I am a sinner the same as all mankind and the wages of sin is death.
That's your business. Your needs are not the world's needs. Don't judge the world by your own measure.
>> “I have seen Calvinists on these forums tell me that the Bible is “perspicuous” and that even a 5-year old can understand it. Pathetic.” <<
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The understanding of the word of God ia a gift of the Holy Spirit, not of your own intellect.
And no, I do not expect you to understand this point.
Your comment above is another sign that there is no moral compass that goes with atheism. I would assert, of course (and correctly), that God Himself is the author of human rights.
>> “So, what do you do when you get sick, go to a real doctor and get real medicine or try to dive ‘evil spirits’?” <<
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I don’t waste my time going to “real doctors,” so I don’t get sick.
Hardly. It is valid only because it is an idea affirmed by God, and it has its source in the awareness of the Creator extant within us all.
God gives (and only God can give) a universal moral code.
Because He is the supreme Ruler, His rules are Supreme, non-negotiable, and True.
Any other rule is a situational human invention: As would the Golden Rule be if not affirmed by God.
Then why do you try to make it?
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