Posted on 04/16/2011 10:23:21 PM PDT by Red Steel
He lays out a pretty good case for FDR being a socialist.
If that is really the case that Trump takes down Obama for Hillary that's fine with me. I think it would be easier to slime her presidential run using Obama against her. Of course if we act all spineless against her all bets are off.
Stalin refused to help us against Japan.
Stalin then captured some Islands, from Japan, after we had pretty much won the war for them.
Oh, and FDR gave away the store at Yalta, to Stalin and the Communists.
And, FDR had many, many Communists on his own staff!
FDR had NO respect for the Constitution.
FDR was a tyrant.
The New Deal actually made the Great Depression take much longer than it had to take. FDR made things much worse.
The USSR was not at war with Japan and was carrying the main fight against Hitler. It had all it could handle at the time. Although when Zukov tangled with them he convinced the Japs to forget about engaging the Soviets.
Soviet armies had control of most of Germany and all of Eastern Europe and there would have been no way of dislodging them short of a war NO ONE IN AMERICA would have supported. Don’t let your delusions make you think that political and military realities can be overridden by fantasies.
Communist infiltration was a problem but until the war started the communists were anti-Roosevelt.
You obviously don’t know much about that period or what “tyranny” really means.
And no the FDR programs did not make the depression longer they may not have helped much but their impact was designed to be psychological as much as economic and in that they were successful. All the traditional economic policies had failed to lift us out of the depression. Real interest rates were negative during much of the thirties but no one wanted to invest. Private investment did not respond to the traditional prescriptions. And classical economic theory seemed powerless to explain what was happening.
And it turned out that one of his most significant programs the Tennessee Valley Authority was critical for the production of the atomic bomb. Without the TVA there would not have been any produced for years and hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and millions of Japanese would have died as the war dragged on.
Not exactly. That religious grouping is not truly socialist.
A Communitarian Ethos
The Groton influence of Endicott Peabody showed in a speech Roosevelt gave at the People's Forum in Troy, NY in 1912. There he declared that western Europeans and Americans had achieved victory in the struggle for "the liberty of the individual," and that the new agenda should be a "struggle for the liberty of the community." The wrong ethos for a new age was, "every man does as he sees fit, even with a due regard to law and order." The new order should be, "march on with civilization in a way satisfactory to the well-being of the great majority of us."
In that speech Roosevelt outlined the philosophical base of what would eventually become the New Deal. He also forecast the rhetorical mode by which "community" could loom over individual liberty. "If we call the method regulation, people hold up their hands in horror and say ‘un-American,' or ‘dangerous,'" Roosevelt pointed out. "But if we call the same identical process co-operation, these same old fogeys will cry out ‘well done'.... cooperation is as good a word for the new theory as any other."
I am unsure by what semantic alchemy this is rendered "not socialist".
Socialists think that FDR did a great job.
Thanks for telling us what camp you belong to!
It is highly unlikely that any of those (other than the professional economists) even know what Keynes wrote. And I doubt that you ever read any of his writings or not anything about his economics. It ain’t what the media says.
Communists hate reformers like FDR. Wonder why?
There was no mention of seizing the means of production in that quote. Much of the philosophy is consistent with commonly held Christian beliefs and Populism or even Welfarism.
Nor was there any mention made of property rights being part of this philosophy. The bottom line is whether or not something contributes to the "greater good". The New Deal and the corruption of the Commerce Clause that enabled it has effected a substantial corrosion of property rights since it's enactment, and it has progressed steadily toward full scale socialism ever since.
FDR was VERY sympathetic towards Communism.
However, FDR was on both sides of everything to begin with. FDR actually ran against Hoover by saying Hoover was spending too much and that Hoover was getting too involved in the free market.
The media LOVED FDR, as evidenced by the fact that they covered up FDR’s affairs and they covered up FDR’s physical and health problems.
Communists LOVED FDR!
As usual you have your facts out of joint. Newspapers and the media of the day were conservative and the publishers and editors were not Roosevelt supporters. He was able to use the media in spite of that to rise to power.
Ronald Reagan was a big admirer of Roosevelt as long as the latter was alive. Do you believe HE was a socialist or a communist or a supporter of a tyrant?
FDR had faults no doubt but it is undeniable that he was a great leader. Listen to his speeches and you understand why he was such an effective mobilizer of the nation’s powers when its very life was on the line. He was rivaled only by Churchill as a speaker.
As for his affairs etc. what politician didn’t have them even then? Not Harding or Taft. But they were irrelevant as Clinton’s were until he went into court and committed perjury and got himself impeached.
Communist hated reformers which they considered Roosevelt to be. At times when it suited their interests they supported him in certain areas but his rise paralleled their fall in vote totals. Certainly the Soviet Union never trusted him even when allied with him.
FDR was a great public speaker, no doubt, but
He was a hard left Socialist and no conservative can possibly support his policies and remain a conservative.
Now I define “socialism” as a centrally planned economy wherein the government owns all the means of production. That was not the philosophy of any of those people or forces I mentioned nor that of FDR. He reminds me more of a Caesar or Jefferson - a rich guy or noble who adopts a Leftist road to power.
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