Posted on 04/11/2011 12:35:21 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
So far the speculation has not been worse than reality. They need another puppy IMO. Just enough mayhem to chew up any remnants.
Barack H. Obama Sr. could not have transmitted his nationality to the person calling himself "Obama" unless he was legally married to "Obama" s mother - which seems very unlikely.
Under centuries of common law, affirmed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 and not yet overturned by the US Supreme Court's Gomez v. Perez (1973) case, bastards have no fathers.
With Palin, Trump, and Obama...
Trump and Palin both have more than enough money to do that. Heck, they could get Bristol to do that in a few hours, for minimum wage.
Meanwhile, the mainstream news media might fail to report the unexplained death of a temp worker who “tried to break in” to the social security number database a few months ago. All the records were preserved. No, all the records were preserved but one.
No, not that one. That one has no records.
Well, it does have a record, but it is not important.
Well, if you need the details, then you are a racist.
Donald Trump is a racist (again).
Palin too even though she is birther-agnostic. That’s not good enough. You must (a) believe and (b) state so, unequivocably, in public.
Move along, there is nothing to see here, it is old news.
(...Did I cover it all?)
What a very convenient state to use to cover something up. “Here’s his BC right here.” “That’s only a seashell with some lines on it.” “Yes, but in our language it means the o was born right here, just as he says he was.”
“I am sure that Rush is quite up to speed on the issue.”
No, he isn’t. I’ve heard him equate “native born” as being the same as “natural born citizen”. Rush knows squat about the subject.
Issue arrest warrant for Fukimo. The charge: Conspiracy to defraud.
Fukino's first statement on 10.31.2008:
"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.
(http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html)
Fukino's second statement on o7.29.09
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."
(http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm)
No where in these two quotes does Fukino state that he has seen the actual, original long form birth certificate and that according to that document, Odumbo was born in Hawaii and that bothhis parents were United States citizens at the time of ODumbo's birth.
The mainstream media’s case is absurd on its face and always has been:
Do you know why I pulled you over, sir?
No, officer.
Please produce your driver’s license and registration.
Officer, all the information you need is on my political campaign website.
Please produce your driver’s license and registration.
Officer, why are you profiling me? Is it because I am black?? Are you a racist??
Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro.
The name Soebarkha Soetoro, lined through, had been on his mother’s passport renewal form. (This form was included with the FOIA docments requested from the State Dept. You can find the full story on www.thepostemail.com .)
This is important. It indicates he was adopted by his stepfather, had an Indonesian identity, and since we know he traveled between Hawaii and Indonesia must have had his own Indonesian passport.
When his mother abandoned him in 1971, just dumping him on his grandparents, he was known as Barry, or Bar. This would be consistent as a ‘nickname’ for Soebarkha.
His school records at Punahou are sealed, as are those at Occidental College. But people still remember him by the name, Barry Soetoro while at Occidental.
As an adult of 20 and 21 (1981-1982) he traveled to Pakistan. He himself said he never had a U.S. passport until he was in the U.S.Congress. So he must have used his Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan. As an adult he would have had to repudiated all other nationalities and sworn allergen's to Indonesia.
The BC in Hawaii's DOH vault is an adoption BC. I sincerely doubt there ever existed an original.
If any of what I’ve said here turns out to be inaccurate, I will be surprised.
I thought Rush was up to speed, but hearing him last Friday infuriated me. I was yelling at him through the radio.
“No, he isn’t. I’ve heard him equate “native born” as being the same as “natural born citizen”. Rush knows squat about the subject._____________________________________
That’s just an error in semantics.
I am sure Rush knows more then you give him credit for.
Yes, Rush is a bit late to the party, but probably a firm believer in the old saying, “Better to look like a fool then to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt”.
None of us have solid PROOF of anything yet.
I stopped listening to Rush a couple years ago when he wouldn’t address the NBC issue. He was solely dedicated to attacking Obama on the “issues”.
But he lies about everything.
So he must have used his Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan. As an adult he would have had to repudiated all other nationalities and sworn allergen's to Indonesia.
Do you know for a fact that Indonesian nationals who are minors must, on attaining majority, swear an oath? Or is that merely speculation?
I look at the whole "Indonesia" pod as a red herring. IF he were a US citizen at birth, nothing done or undone by the government of Indonesia could have affected his status. Conversely, if he were NOT a US citizen at birth, no actions by Indonesia could have made him one.
I very much doubt that, if this ever gets before a court, that Vattel will appear as a witness.
I think it boils down to this: If he were a US citizen at birth, he stays, if he were not, he goes - and I don't think we will find out in the next 575 days, when the people get to decide.
There are several “John” Ludwigs listed in the SS death database.
To: Future Useless Eater
The following is directly from SSN death records:
Name: Jean Ludwig
SSN: 045-26-8722
Last Residence: 96816 Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii, United States of America
Born: 17 Feb 1890
Last Benefit: 96816 Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii, United States of America
Died: Jun 1981
State (Year) SSN issued: Connecticut (1951)
Name: Jean Paul Ludwig
Social Security #: 045268722
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 17 Feb 1890
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 19 Jun 1981
Death Place: San Luis Obispo
Mother’s Maiden Name: Salome
Name: John Ludwig
SSN: 287-03-4875
Last Residence: 95123 San Jose, Santa Clara, California, United States of America
Born: 27 May 1890
Died: Mar 1977
State (Year) SSN issued: Ohio (Before 1951)
Name: John Ludwig
SSN: 345-12-0088
Last Residence: 60465 Palos Hills, Cook, Illinois, United States of America
Born: 3 Dec 1890
Died: Oct 1976
State (Year) SSN issued: Illinois (Before 1951)
Just for the record:
Social Security Death Index
Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
Name: John Ludwig
Birth: 27 May 1890
Death: Mar 1977 - San Jose, Santa Clara, California, United States of America
Civil: Ohio
Social Security Death Index
Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
Name: John Ludwig
Birth: 26 May 1890
Death: Feb 1978 - Jamestown, Boone, Indiana, United States of America
Civil: Indiana
Social Security Death Index
Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
Name: John Ludwig
Birth: 3 Dec 1890
Death: Oct 1976 - Palos Hills, Cook, Illinois, United States of America
Civil: Illinois
Social Security Death Index
Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
Name: John Ludwig
Birth: 5 May 1890
Death: Feb 1970 - Platteville, Grant, Wisconsin, United States of America
Civil: Wisconsin
Social Security Death Index
Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
Name: John Ludwig
Birth: 18 May 1890
Death: Aug 1966 - Baton Rouge, East Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States of America
Civil: Louisiana
Social Security Death Index
Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
Name: John Ludwig
Birth: 24 Jan 1890
Death: Mar 1968 - Valley Springs, Calaveras, California, United States of America
Civil: California
197 posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 05:21:12 by mad_as_he$$
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“He was solely dedicated to attacking Obama on the “issues”.”
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In the business, that is called playing it safe.
It is hard to attack when you have no proof, and not so hard to be made to look like a fool.
I would have loved for Rush to have been in the early birther
gang, but he not the only one to come late to the party.
Anyway, do you have a problem with “attacking Obama on the issues”?
LOL!
In July of 2007, the Democratic Party sent a representative to Jakarta, Indonesia, to buy up all the documents and photographs pertaining to Barak Obama and the Soetoro family. They spent nearly $200,000.00.
Do you honestly believe, if nothing of import existed in Indonesia concerning a little boy who left there at age 10, that the Democrats would do such a thing?
Those idiots in the DNC are risking their lives on the Obama gambit. I hope it blows up in their faces.
In the upper right hand corner of the screen you will find {search}. Type in Satindoll, then click user; you will find my posts for the past day and what I’ve been doing, so yes, I attack Obama on the issues.
Yeah, I don’t mind attacking Obama on the issues. But people relate better to scandal, crime, treason, and other nefarious issues, too. It gets their ‘blood’ up.
Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.A. — he has had more that enough time to come up with a really accurate forgery for a BC. Maybe he will yet, but I don’t think he’s been able to cobble one together.
” As an adult he would have had to repudiated all other nationalities and sworn allergen’s to Indonesia.”
And probably went to college on foreign aid, due to his being
able to state that he factually is a foreigner.....
“Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.A. — he has had more that enough time to come up with a really accurate forgery for a BC.”
That is quite possible, but equally possible is that
his father was not a citizen.
I prefer that it be that he was born in Kenya, or Indonesia,
as nabbing him on who his father was might be problematic.
A b/c forgery would be quite hard, since the original starts in the hospital, and has signatures of doctor and mother.
What hospital would vouch for it?
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