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Is Obama Sr. Really Junior's Daddy?
Wizbang ^ | April 1, 2011 | locomotivebreath1901

Posted on 04/02/2011 1:39:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Captain Kirk
OK. You found a divorce decree.

Now, when you find a marriage license or a marriage certificate, you get back to me.

There is absolutely no documented evidence of an Obama/Dunham marriage -- none.

You said Michelle's comment about Stanley Ann -- "was very young and very single when she had him." -- referred to Obama's conception.

Nonsense! If Michelle was referring to conception she would have been referring to Senior when she said Stanley Ann was "very young and very single when she had him."

Obviously, Michelle was speaking about Obama and referring to his birth when she said Stanley Ann was "very young and very single when she had him."

Get it?

You don't know who the Wookie is?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/6/7/128888375856690988.jpg


101 posted on 04/03/2011 3:02:10 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Captain Kirk
Obama Sr. and Dunham were legally married in February 1961 according to the divorce decree.

Then you should have no problem finding a marriage license or marriage certificate. Maybe there's a wedding announcement in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin?

Please Ping me when you do.
102 posted on 04/03/2011 3:04:52 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why all of the African newspaper reports starting in 2004???... Obama Kenyan Born!!

Is there a Big “Communist Connection” with Obama’s Birth & his rise to Power!!

This man a scientist had high security clearance..... He tried to tell people about this no one was interested... They thought he was a kook.
He wrote & called many media when Obama started to run for office ... Finally on election night some radio talk show host interviewed him.....

I never heard about it until 2009

I tend to believe that Obama is a mole!!!! This was all planned years ago!!

Davis might be his Biological Father; but, he may have been born in Africa as Obama Sr.’s son as a facade to protect Davis!... Money talks!!

The author of article stated at end: This report on Barack came personally to me from “one of them” “long before” America knew he existed.

This man a Scientist had Government Security Clearance.....He was a government contractor with an active security clearance who took notes on his trips for debriefings with the Defense Intelligence Agency within the Department of Defense.

by Gunny G (I believe)
(From Ron Paul’s War* Room)
11/20/2008

The First Time I Heard Of Barack By Tom Fife
November 20, 2008Gunny G
7 Votes

The First Time I Heard Of Barack
By Tom Fife
11-20-8

During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.

V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause – a cause she obviously was not abandoning.

One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.’s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.

As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge – one her husband tried to quietly rein in.

The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:

“You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven’t you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn’t do it.”

The general response went something along the lines that you don’t vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don’t vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.

“Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon.”

The consensus we expressed was that we didn’t think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.

“What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?”

The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, “Well, you will; and he will be a Communist.”

It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, “It sounds like you know something we don’t know.”

“Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools ofPresidents. He is what you call “Ivy League“. You don’t believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That’s right, a chocolate baby! And he’s going to be your President.”

She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly – as though all were foregone conclusions. “It’s all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won’t have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He’s gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America.”

We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he’d be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.

She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.

She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. “Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet.”

At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn’t understand what the point was and don’t recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.

Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: “If I remember correctly, ‘Barack’ comes from the Arabic word for ‘Blessing.’ That seems to be an odd name for an American.” She replied quickly, “Yes. It is ‘African‘”, she insisted, “and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world.”

She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way.

So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?

Well, it’s definitely anecdotal. It doesn’t prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.

Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.

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I still think Obama does “not’ look like his “Legal Father” /Obama Sr

He looks like Malcom-X …….(Malcolm-X daughter Qubilah Shabazz & Obama

look a lot alike..Also Malia looks like Shabazz)……either Stanley Ann was

impregnated by Malcom-X or she adopted

Malcom-X child………..Obama Sr may have just been a patsy…. Remember

the Dunhams were active members of “CPUSA”….. Stanley Armour Dunham was photographed with Obama Sr arriving in Hawaii before Stanley Ann met him at College.

In 1960 at the Theresa Hotel completely unknown Kenyan student gain elbow-rubbing proximity to the then-notorious Malcolm X.

Also at the Theresa Hotel was the poet and playwright Langston Hughes, a close friend of Frank Marshall Davis, as well as Charles Rangel who was working his way through law school as a desk clerk.

It must also be mentioned that during the General Assembly meeting in September 1960, Nikita Khruschev traveled from midtown Manhattan up to Harlem to the Theresa Hotel to meet with Fidel Castro.

What were Malcolm X, Fidel Castro, and Nikita Khrushchev talking to each other about? And where does Barack Obama (Sr.) fit in?

Was he being recruited and groomed to be the “father” – or father in name only – of Barack Obama II, in furtherance of a grand conspiracy to overthrow the U.S. government?

1959, Khrushchev expanded on his previous statement: “We cannot expect the Americans to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.

”Was this odd but powerful assemblage at the Theresa Hotel planning to bury the United States by orchestrating yet an even more spectacular coup d’état – this time of America itself?

Not by a bloody revolution of the Castro variety, but rather by stealth – an operation carried out by leftist moles and sympathizers with the goal of overthrowing and taking the reins of the United States government?

Is there any connection between Malcolm X and Obama Sr.? In 1959 Malcolm X traveled to the Middle East and Africa , including Kenya, and is reported to have met with Jomo Kenyatta, future Prime Minister and later President of Kenya, as well as with a prominent Kenyan politician named Tom Mboya (who Obama Sr. called his “godfather”). Mboya was a close friend of Barack Obama Sr.’s family, so it’s no mystery that Barack Obama Sr. was selected to give his name to Malcolm X’s son.

We have no idea if Stanley Ann gave birth to Barack Obama or was just the woman chosen to raise him by the grand conspirators who plotted his rise to power from as far back as the 1950s, before his birth!

This may seem far fetched but; everything about Obama is far fetched because we know nothing about him.

Tommy Mboya was the person who paid for Obama Sr to attend Harvard I found that by googling: “Who paid for Obama Sr to attend Harvard”

Elizabeth Mooney Kirk is one of the people who funded Obama Sr.’s Education to Hawaii..... When he was going to Harvard, Betty Mooney Kirk told MBoya she now had 2 children going to go to college; so, she could no longer sponsor Obama...

Tommy Mboya then paid for Obama Sr to go to Harvard!!


103 posted on 04/03/2011 3:12:06 PM PDT by ebysan (ebysan)
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To: Beckwith

No, I didn’t found it. Are you arguing that the divorce decree, by a Hawaii judge, was inaccurate? Just wondering.


104 posted on 04/04/2011 7:16:16 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Beckwith

Look, you are claiming that they never married. I produced an official divorce decree which says they were. You NEVER disputed it. What did YOU produce to support your position?

I suspect that I found film of their wedding and a signed and notarized statement from Ronald Reagan stating that he’d witnessed the wedding, you’d still challenge me to find something more. Do you, or don’t you, regard the divorce decree which states they were lawfully married to be fake or false? If it is not fake, how can you explain why Mrs. Obama would waste her time asking a judge to issue a divorce decree for a marriage that never happened. I’ve done some investigation. Since you make an unproven claim, at some point you need to justify it.


105 posted on 04/04/2011 10:21:30 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

Common-law married couples routinely file for divorce.

My position is that there is no Dunham/Obama marriage license and/or no wedding certificate. Those are the only legal documents that prove a state-sanctioned marriage occurred.

Without those documents, there is no marriage. End of story.

These are not my rules.

The rest of your post is just noise.


106 posted on 04/04/2011 11:57:43 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

The judge said they were lawfully married on a specific date in February 1961. Doesn’t sound like a common law marriage to me. Are you arguing that the judge was a fraud or idiot? That would be the logic of your post.


107 posted on 04/04/2011 12:50:14 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

Yike!

I was married in February 1961.


108 posted on 04/04/2011 12:52:24 PM PDT by Mears
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To: LadyDoc
Obama’s ethnicity is east African, not west African.

That's a good point. Also it appears that Obama Sr.'s family accepts him as a relative. Maybe Obama's DNA should be added to the long list of records that people are demanding.

109 posted on 04/04/2011 1:51:30 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: kabumpo; Abby4116
But Clinton didn’t try to hide his questionable parentage.

Yes he did. He bears a strong resemblance to the Rockefellers, and one was gov of Ark then.

Winthrop Rockefeller was governor of Arkansas from 1967 to 1971. According to Wikipedia, he moved to Arkansas in 1953. Bill Clinton was born in 1946.

110 posted on 04/04/2011 2:07:54 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: shield
All true but it is almost impossible for a minor to give up citizenship no matter who or where he/she is adopted. Parents can NOT decide for a minor. There are court cases saying this. Now in Zero's case what passport did he use to go to Pakistan, if at age 18 he chose an Indonesian passport then a case can be made he chose Indonesian citizenship. Though I have read that current State Department policy requires one to denounce ones US citizenship in front of a consular officer. Don't know if the same policy was in place back when Zero traveled. Oh yes back to Pakistan I have found no evidence that the 1980s State Department warning about travel to Pakistan was anything more then a Travel Warning. A travel warning doesn't forbid one from going it just makes it difficult. How an American college student like Zero could go without a lot of special permissions (which would be documented!) is beyond me. (And who paid for it! 1980s travel to Pakistan wasn't cheap!) However traveling on an Indonesian passport would be no problem.
111 posted on 04/04/2011 2:11:21 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Captain Kirk

I am only saying that there is absolutely NO MARRIAGE LICENSE or MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE.

If you think that they were married, fine.

A marriage license and/or marriage certificate are the only documentation of a state-sanctioned marriage. Without a marriage certificate, there is no evidence of state-sanctioned marriage.

Dunham and Obama don’t have one. Everything else is doodley-squat.


112 posted on 04/04/2011 3:13:13 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

I give up. I keep asking you specific questions about the divorce decree language and you ignore them. I dug up the divorce decree and you dig up NOTHING in response. Let’s stop wasting each other’s time.


113 posted on 04/04/2011 5:20:12 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

It’s not about divorce, amigo.

This discussion was, and remains about marriage.

And there is NO DOCUMENTATION that a marriage ever occurred.


114 posted on 04/05/2011 3:52:20 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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