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Is Science Fiction Getting More Conservative?
Pajamas Media ^ | January 25, 2011 | Patrick Richardson

Posted on 01/25/2011 9:58:28 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: from occupied ga

Bit of a discrepancy in the author’s comments, unless I misunderstood. Said he was born in 1971 but remembers his parents watching an Apollo lunar mission when he was very young. The last flight to the Moon was Apollo 17, in Dec 1972. Either he could remember things from a very young age or he is thinking of something else. Apollo-Soyuz maybe? That did not go to the Moon.


61 posted on 01/25/2011 11:05:35 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Unless it was River in Serenity.

Best waif kicking monster butt in the movies.


62 posted on 01/25/2011 11:07:24 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Kaslin

Would LOVE to know how agents fit into the mix. I wrote a novel with a strong, traditional male lead and I swear 90 percent of the rejections seem to be somehow associated with the fact that (guessing based on gender of agents listed in “Writers Market”) 75% of the agents are liberal females.


63 posted on 01/25/2011 11:07:57 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: dangerdoc
Look into E. E. Knight’s Vampire Earth series. There is a manly protagonist for you.

That's because EE Knight is a FReeper. Or at least he was a couple of years ago.

64 posted on 01/25/2011 11:08:53 AM PST by RikaStrom (Pray for Obama - Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his place of leadership.")
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To: Vaquero

Classical liberalism has nothing to do with today’s liberalism. The former actually had something to do with a concept called liberty, freedom from an overbearing control freak government. Classical liberalism is today’s conservatism.


65 posted on 01/25/2011 11:11:24 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: dangerdoc; Snake65
Look into E. E. Knight’s Vampire Earth series. There is a manly protagonist for you.

I knew I had his FReeper handle somewhere.

66 posted on 01/25/2011 11:22:28 AM PST by RikaStrom (Pray for Obama - Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his place of leadership.")
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To: qam1; DBrow; dangerdoc

I agree w/ qam1 in some respects as to the trend of having 110 lb girls annihilating full-grown men as being a tad overdone, like in Buffy and in BSG w/ Starbuck. But I think Adama, Helo and others more than made up for that.

I also agree that I don’t like that in No Ordinary Family the father figure is so weak, but I think qam1 is missing some good examples which contradict his theory:

Firefly/Serenity — Mal Reynolds and Jayne
Iron Man — The Iron Man character, not Tony Stark
Angel — After he left Buffy
The most recent Star Trek Reboot — James T. Kirk
The most recent Batman reboot
The Cape

Anyway, we could go on and on citing exmples and counter-examples, but Summer Glau was great in both Firefly/Serenity and the Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles. That I do not mind watching, ha ha ha.


67 posted on 01/25/2011 11:28:46 AM PST by Gothmog (I fight for Xev)
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To: Kaslin
It's getting harder and harder to find real science fiction in the bookstores and libraries any more.

Tons and tons of cheesy, derivative swords-and-magic fantasy.

Tons and tons of vampires, zombies, werewolves and vampire/zombie/werewolf crossovers (although I did like "World War Z" a lot).

Tons and tons of TV/movie spinoff books.

Yeccch. When I was in high school and college I belonged to the Science Fiction Book Club, they had 20-30 new science fiction titles every month. Picked up their current flyer recently and I doubt that there were ten new SF books, but tons and tons of all the above.

68 posted on 01/25/2011 11:32:21 AM PST by Notary Sojac (We have had three central banks in America's history: two of them failed and so will this one....)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for this Post!


69 posted on 01/25/2011 11:45:02 AM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: qam1
In the new Battletstar Galatica, Starbuck is now a chick and Apollo is the whiny male bee-atch and they created a whole new female teacher president role for Capt. Adama to be subservient to

But we only liked Starbuck when she was being bad-ass, and only liked Apollo when he finally manned-up. And Adama refused to be the president's bitch. But the best thing, notice the president's do-gooder liberalism didn't survive her confrontation with hard reality.

That was an interesting series that explored various aspects of our culture. It was the only one espousing conservative principles, although it did go a bit soap opera in the middle.

70 posted on 01/25/2011 11:50:52 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
I’ve read some of Pournelle’s collaborations with Larry Niven. Based on those, I’d say he leans right...

If you compare them to Pournelle's individual works, you will realize that Niven is the "lefty" of that duo.

71 posted on 01/25/2011 11:58:56 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx)
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To: Vaquero
Heinlein was libertarian not liberal
He started out as a Democrat/Socialist. He helped manage Upton Sinclair's run for Governor of California.

Volume 1 of his official biography came out a few months ago, and is a must-read for any serious Heinlein fan.

Based on that, it seems to me that he got quite a bit of his political beliefs from the women in his life. His 3rd wife, Virginia, seemed to be responsible for his turn away from Socialism.

72 posted on 01/25/2011 11:59:06 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
I’ve read some of Pournelle’s collaborations with Larry Niven. Based on those, I’d say he leans right...
Dr. Pournelle has described himself as "somewhat to the right of Genghis Khan."

He (like Heinlein) seemed to start out quite far to the left, and moved to the right as he matured.

FYI, Pournelle was Barry Goldwater's California campaign manager in 1964.

73 posted on 01/25/2011 12:04:55 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

“FYI, Pournelle was Barry Goldwater’s California campaign manager in 1964.”

Interesting.

So far, all I’ve read are Niven/Pournelle works. Might have to seek out some Pournelle solo work...


74 posted on 01/25/2011 12:13:32 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Regulation without representation is tyranny.)
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To: qam1
watching a 90lb waif beat up 250+ pound men gets old real fast and Scifi becomes unwatchable

Hoban 'Wash' Washburn: "Start with the part where Jayne gets knocked out by a 90-pound girl 'cause... I don't think that's ever getting old." - Serenity

75 posted on 01/25/2011 12:20:43 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx)
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Pity about Greg Bear; excellent writer but politically deranged. I tried to read his Darwin's Children but became 'progressively' sickened by his injections of anti-Bush bile and threw the book down.
76 posted on 01/25/2011 12:30:27 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: dangerdoc
Look into E. E. Knight’s Vampire Earth series. There is a manly protagonist for you.

Great Series, his dragon series wasn't bad either. Try John Ringo's Live Free or Die if you want to read a sci-fi book that will make a liberal's head explode.

77 posted on 01/25/2011 12:46:08 PM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Read Starship Troopers then or the Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Starship Troopers is my all time favorite, I’ve read that book probably 7-8 times now and still enjoy it. Don’t compare the movie to it...no where near the same.


78 posted on 01/25/2011 12:48:41 PM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: RikaStrom; Snake65
Knight is/was a Freeper? Wow! That totally made my day, I've got all of the Vampire Earth Series and his Dragon books. I had no clue.

Pretty awesome!

79 posted on 01/25/2011 12:52:48 PM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: GraceG; Vaquero
Heinlein was libertarian not liberal

my tagline ["an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein] says it all...

That is why i referenced as “Classical Liberal” not the usurptation of the word Liberal by the Progressives. What the word Liberal meant to someone living over 100 years ago.

I have done a little research . . .

At the start of the Twentieth Century the term "liberal" meant the same in America as it still does in the rest of the world - essentially, what is called "conservatism" in American Newspeak. Of course we "American Conservatives" are not the ones who oppose development and liberty, so in that sense we are not conservative at all. We actually are liberals.

But in America, "liberalism" was given its American Newspeak - essentially inverted - meaning in the 1920s (source: Safire's New Political Dictionary). The fact that the American socialists have acquired a word to exploit is bad enough; the real disaster is that we do not now have a word which truly descriptive of our own political perspective. We only have the smear words which the socialists have assigned to us. And make no mistake, in America "conservative" is inherently a negative connotation just as surely as marketers love to boldly proclaim that the product which they are flogging is NEW!


80 posted on 01/25/2011 1:03:18 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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