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Some Toxins with Your Popcorn?
The Daily Green ^ | 7/30/2008 | Annie Bell Muzaurieta

Posted on 10/12/2010 12:19:46 AM PDT by truthfreedom

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To: Publius6961; truthfreedom
Water purity requirements that are unachieveable, Food purity that never existed and can't ever exist ... Call me names, but at least I'm sane.

I'd call you a voice of reason, Publius. I agree: all kinds of things that are said to be killing us are only measurable with instrumentation developed in the last 50 years. We engineers have handed the nanny state the instruments to control us.

And the only reason to post ANYTHING from "The Daily Green" on FR would be to laugh at it.

41 posted on 10/12/2010 12:11:09 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer
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To: backwoods-engineer

PFOA should not be in the human body period.

But it is. It’s man made.

Chris Coons uses it to make money. Poisoning Americans.

I don’t care if Chris Coons gets elected and slips some provision in some bill saying that it’s safe. It isn’t.

Where are all of these new diseases coming from? I don’t know. Neither do you. But 100 years ago, people weren’t walking around with PFOA in their bodies because PFOA didn’t exist.


42 posted on 10/12/2010 12:22:56 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
I can see from your posting history that you're probably in DE, and you sound pro-Christine, but you are not helping her with this PFOA stuff.

100 years ago, we didn't have gasoline everywhere, either. Just because we have a synthetic substance in our bloodstream doesn't mean it's killing us. Come on, please be reasonable, and stop this.

43 posted on 10/12/2010 12:31:56 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer
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To: truthfreedom
It would greatly help your case (and your credibility) if you thought to put some credible documentation next to each of your assertions or opinions.
Otherwise you are simply wasting our time.

I want to emphasize the word credible. No web sites run by nut jobs on heavy mental medication.

44 posted on 10/12/2010 2:32:03 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: truthfreedom
There are a few things at play here, including the huge variations in individual tolerance to natural and artificial compounds. In a rational world those who are sensitive to certain chemicals whould avoid them forever.

In an irrational world, that same individual will lash out angrily at the entire world an try maniacally to prevent everyone else from having access to those chemicals; even if those chemicals are beneficial for hundreds of millions of people. DDT is a good example.

Our country is being run by idiots and neurotics, bolstered by "god" complexes, from the president on down. The resistance to that will never end.
The ultimate perversion of anything, good or bad, is government involvement in it.

45 posted on 10/12/2010 2:42:56 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: houeto

Well bless your heart.


46 posted on 10/12/2010 2:46:22 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: truthfreedom
The following article is long but worth the trouble to read.Professor Ames is the world authority of carcinogens in our world, both artificial and natural. Neither is "worse than the other, when used properly but we, all of us, must deal with them every day. Having a firm grasp of reality certainly helps.

Enjoy.

 


July 5, 1994

SCIENTIST AT WORK: Bruce N. Ames; Strong Views on Origins of Cancer

By JANE E. BRODY

WHEN it comes to controversy, Dr. Bruce N. Ames, though not physically intimidating at 5 feet 9 inches tall, is no shrinking violet. The man who invented the leading laboratory test to screen chemicals for their ability to damage genes has years of solid science and the accolades of countless colleagues behind him when he makes such provocative and socially unpopular statements as these:

"I think pesticides lower the cancer rate."

"Pollution seems to me to be mostly a red herring as a cause of cancer."

"Environmentalists are forever issuing scare reports based on very shallow science."

"Standard animal cancer tests done with high doses are practically useless for predicting a chemical's risk to humans."

"Nearly all the polluted wells in the U.S. seem less of a hazard than chlorinated tap water."

"99.9 percent of the toxic chemicals we're exposed to are completely natural -- you consume about 50 toxic chemicals whenever you eat a plant."

"Elimination of cancer is not in the cards, even if we get rid of every external factor."

"Nearly half of all natural chemicals tested, like half of synthetic chemicals, are carcinogenic in rodents when given at high doses."

"We're shooting ourselves in the foot with environmental regulations that cost over 2 percent of the G.N.P., much of it to regulate trivia."

Coming as they do from a highly respected scientist who does not do consulting work for industry, such remarks are especially irritating to those who believe that modern industry has touched off an epidemic of cancer and birth defects by contaminating the air, water, soil and food with toxic chemicals.

Dr. Ames, a biochemist and molecular biologist at the University of California at Berkeley, where he directs the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences Center, is a member of the National Academy of Sciences and is the recipient of an outstanding investigator grant from the National Cancer Institute and of many highly prestigious awards for excellence in research. His hundreds of technical publications, many in an arena rife with public, political and scientific controversy and punctuated with passionate emotions, have made him one of the two dozen most often cited scientists in the world.

Now 65 years old, Dr. Ames feels he is racing against the clock to "solve aging and/or cancer before my neurons decay." Not that his colleagues have noticed any dulling of his tack-sharp scientific mind, his rapid-fire ripostes and his widely admired ability to unify disparate areas of research into a common, logical construct of how cancer starts, flourishes and eventually consumes its host.

Even his detractors consider Dr. Ames to be a brilliant scientist who moves with remarkable ease from pure biochemistry into public health. Dr. Malcolm Pike, an epidemiologist at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles, applauds his "enormous ability to see the big picture" and his willingness to be "a protagonist who is prepared to get up and argue some very unpopular things." Dr. Walter C. Willet, an epidemiologist at the Harvard School of Public Health, calls him "one of the most innovative thinkers in the world of science, able to bridge the gap between laboratory science and human disease."

But others, like Dr. David Rall, former director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, believe his generalizations are based on incomplete data, since "most of the chemicals we're exposed to haven't been adequately tested for carcinogenicity."

As Dr. Ames sees it, "Much of cancer is built in; a good part of it is due to aging."

"If you plot cancer versus age," he said, "you'll see that in 60 million years, evolution took us from short-lived creatures like rats, where a third have cancer by the age of 3, to long-lived creatures like humans, where a third have cancer by the age of 80. There's very little human cancer until after the age of 30; then it increases sharply with age." Metabolic Rate and Cancer

Why, he wondered, should that be? He found several explanations. First, cancer risk is linked to metabolic rate: the faster the rate at which the body burns fuel, the greater the likelihood of developing cancer. Rats, for example, have a metabolic rate eight times as fast as humans.

"What in metabolism is doing us in?" Dr. Ames asked, not waiting for an answer. "Oxidation. We burn fat and carbohydrates in the presence of oxygen to produce energy and water. But en route, we make superoxide, hydrogen peroxide and hydroxyl radicals, the same mutagenic free radicals that are produced by radiation. In each human cell the DNA is hit about 10,000 times a day by mutagenic oxidants, and in each rat cell about 100,000 times a day."

"You'd think that exercise would be bad, since it raises the metabolic rate, uses oxygen and increases the production of free radicals," Dr. Ames continued. "But as you become adapted to exercise, the body's antioxidant defenses go up and the risk of heart disease goes down, so there's a net benefit."

While there is no way to stop the body's production of free radicals, he explained, human cells are replete with enzymes that block their damaging effects. These innate antioxidant defenses, he said, are bolstered by antioxidant nutrients like vitamin C, vitamin E and carotenoids in fruits and vegetables, which can suppress all stages of the cancer process.

"Diet is at least as important as smoking as a cause of cancer," he said in a tone reminiscent of parents coaxing children to eat their broccoli. "If you don't eat your vegetables, you're irradiating yourself in a sense. Gladys Block has shown that the rate for practically every type of cancer is doubled among people who don't eat fruits and vegetables. Probably every vitamin in foods is part of some defense system." Dr. Block is an expert on cancer and nutrition at Berkeley. Pesticides as Cancer Weapon

Dr. Ames considers pesticides an anticancer weapon because their use increases the yield of fruits and vegetables and lowers their cost, enabling more people to consume foods that appear to protect against cancer.

Dr. Block has found that even with help from pesticides, only 9 percent of Americans eat the recommended minimum of a total of five servings of fruits and vegetables daily. This dietary failing, along with a menu high in fat and low in fiber, accounts for at least a third of cancers in industrialized nations, Dr. Ames and others have concluded from analyses of cancer rates and dietary habits in many populations.

A slightly built, bookish man, Dr. Ames is a native of New York who graduated from the Bronx High School of Science and Cornell University. He says his findings about the origins of cancer and bodily defenses against it have strongly influenced his living habits.

"I never smoked, and when I married my Italian wife 34 years ago, I switched my diet from Jewish cooking to Italian cooking and never looked back," he said. "I eat lots of fruits and vegetables and fish, but meat in moderation and few processed foods. We use mainly olive oil, and each day I take 250 milligrams of vitamin C, 400 international units of vitamin E and a one-a-day. I eat a good diet, so the supplements are just for insurance. However, I believe in moderation. I don't think people should take massive doses of vitamins."

In poor countries, he said, a third of cancers result from chronic infections: hepatitis B and C and liver cancer, human papilloma virus and cervical cancer, Helicobacter pylori and stomach cancer, to name a few.

"The selection process in human evolutionary history favored reproduction and selected for mechanisms like white-cell defenses that protect humans during early life," he said. "But we paid a price for that protection in the form of increased cancer. Those white cells that guard against our demise from infection use nasty mutagens to incinerate their targets."

Microorganisms that cause chronic infections also kill cells and stimulate cell division, he said, and high rates of cell division are associated with increased mutagenesis and carcinogenesis.

Mutagens damage the DNA that makes up genes. Cancer results from multiple mutations, which means that most, if not all, mutagens are also potential carcinogens. Although cells have enzymes that continually cruise along the DNA and repair it by clipping genetic aberrations out of the lineup, as people age the mutation rate gradually exceeds the body's ability to remove these bad actors, giving cancer a chance to establish a foothold.

"What's amazing is how well defended we are against the damaging effects of chronic infections," Dr. Ames observed. "It takes 30 years or so to get those cancers."

Even if a cell's DNA is seriously damaged by a mutagen, however, cancer will not result unless that cell is actively dividing. Herein lies Dr. Ames's problem with animal tests using high doses of suspect chemicals. These "maximum tolerated doses" injure cells and tissues and set off reparative cell division. Dr. Ames maintains that in many cases it is the accelerated cell division, not the chemical per se, that is causing cancer. Stimulation of cell division may also account for the role of certain hormones in cancer, like the contribution of the body's estrogen to cancers of the breast and uterus.

But people are rarely exposed to anything like the large doses of chemicals used in animal tests, and at the more typical low doses that enter the body, there is no toxic damage to produce cell division and therefore they are not likely to increase cancer risk, he said.

"The dose makes the poison," Dr. Ames said, quoting a maxim of toxicology. "At some level, every chemical becomes toxic, but there are safe levels below that. You cannot extrapolate linearly from a high dose to a low dose and end up with a realistic risk estimate. A tenfold reduction in dose would produce much more than a tenfold reduction in cancer risk."

He pointed out that about 40 percent of chemicals that cause cancer in rodents at high doses are not mutagens, which suggests that the toxic dose, not the chemical per se, is often the problem.

In fact, Dr. Ames and others have shown that exposures to low levels of toxins induce natural defense mechanisms, including various enzymes, antioxidants and the melanin that forms in sun-exposed skin. Then, when a larger dose of the insult is encountered, the defense systems are primed to act protectively, Dr. Ames said.

"Environmental pollutants are not an important cause of cancer," he said. "They account for a tiny percent of cancers in Americans, but might be a problem in people like farm workers who apply pestIcides if they are heavily exposed. Hysteria about pollutants is costing us an enormous amount. We spent a huge amount of money getting traces of the metal degreaser trichloroethylene out of our water, which had a possible hazard 100 times below that of the average amount of chloroform in chlorinated tap water, although in fact neither may be a real hazard." Natural and Synthetic Pesticides

People fret about pesticide residues, but 99.99 percent of the pesticides Americans consume are natural constituents of plants, Dr. Ames said. He has calculated that the typical American eats about 1,500 milligrams a day of natural pesticides, which is 10,000 times the average daily consumption of 0.09 milligrams of synthetic pesticide residues.

Like the synthetic pesticides, about half the natural pesticides that have been tested are carcinogenic in rodents. In trying to reduce dependence on synthetic pesticides, some agricultural scientists are breeding plants with higher levels of natural pesticides, in effect trading one toxin for another, Dr. Ames said. For example, a new insect-resistant variety of celery was found to contain 6,200 parts per billion of carcinogenic chemicals called psoralens, whereas normal celery had only 800 parts per billion of these chemicals.

"On average, half of all chemicals tested, natural or synthetic, are carcinogenic in animals," Dr. Ames said, adding: "It is not true that our bodies are better able to defuse natural toxins than synthetic ones. Our defenses are general ones; they do not discriminate between natural and synthetic chemicals.

"I don't mean to suggest that there aren't real problems with some synthetic chemicals, but the environmentalists are wildly exaggerating the risks. If our resources are diverted from important things to unimportant things, this doesn't serve the public."

Photo: Dr. Bruce N. Ames in his biochemistry laboratory at the University of California at Berkeley. (Michael Jones for The New York Times) Chart: "What Causes Cancer? The World According to Ames" Dr. Bruce Ames maintains that Americans spend far too much time and money trying to clean up insignificant causes of cancer and that the most important causes of cancer can be controlled by individual efforts or public health measures like vaccines. The proportions listed below reflect his opinions and may equal more than 100 percent because two or more factors are sometimes involved in triggering cancer. Factor: Diet Estimate of share: One-third Comments: Too much fat, too few fruits and vegetables and too little fiber are consumed to provide adequate intake of protective nutrients. Factor: Smoking Estimate of share: One-third Comments: Cancer risk rised in direct proportion to the duration of smoking and number of cigarettes smoked each day. Factor: Chronic Infections Estimate of share: One-third in poor countries Comments: Inflammatory reactions release potent mutagens; vaccines and other public and personal health measures could prevent many infections. Factor: Hormones Estimate of share: One-fifth Comments: Hormones stimulate cell division and can be influenced by diet and drugs, e.g., antiestrogens. Factor: High Occupational Exposures Estimate of share: A few percent Comments: Regulatory standards and employers can protect workers Factor: Pollution Estimate of share: Less than 1 percent Comments: Heavy air pollution may slightly increase risk. (pg. C10)

 


47 posted on 10/12/2010 3:09:44 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: truthfreedom
I don’t want it in my body. Chris Coons hasn’t figured out how to keep it out of my body, and until he does, Gore-tex and PFOA should be banned.

I believe that this is the crux of the entire thread; judging by a few of the responses, I suspect that many of us fear your attitude much more than PFOA and Gore-tex.

The world does not revolve around you. You have no more right to ban substances that don't agree with your defective genes than my dog does. See a therapist ASAP, please. Or up your medication.

48 posted on 10/12/2010 3:30:32 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: Publius6961

Cut and paste anything. Sweet.

Can’t I sue some company for poisoning me?

Can I sue Chris Coons personally for not stopping the production of Gore-tex when he worked there as a lawyer?

I want none of these chemicals in me. What medical procedure can I bill Chris Coons for to take the PFOA out?


49 posted on 10/12/2010 3:36:36 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: lmr
Thanks for the advice. I cook on Stainless now. I refuse to cook on Teflon or other synthetic surfaces, even though Stainless is somewhat ‘synthetic’, I know.

Somewhat synthetic?
By your apparent definition, regular steel is also synthetic; I have never heard of "naturally" occuring steel and, if there is such, it must be astronomically rare.

50 posted on 10/12/2010 3:36:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: Publius6961

Excuse me, but I’m not arguing that PFOA is having any effect on me at all.

I’m simply saying no thank you. I don’t want your poisons in my body. I will sue you. You find a way to take them out or pay me for the inconvience.

And Chris Coons is the one who put those poisons there.

You don’t have the right to poison me, whether the effects are small or large.


51 posted on 10/12/2010 3:39:32 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
That’s the headline.
I posted a news article.

Not news.
More like the hysterical ravings, propaganda from a nutjob site. Of course, you can view it any way you choose.
I choose to reject it.

52 posted on 10/12/2010 3:40:46 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: Publius6961

Fine, I don’t care. Anyway, look at the other threads I’ve been posting about how Chris Coons has been poisoning everybody.


53 posted on 10/12/2010 3:42:13 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
And Chris Coons is the one who put those poisons there.

But..but... you just said you had no idea how these things got there??

I know. You don't have to prove anything. "Chris Coons made me a Loon". Lol.

54 posted on 10/12/2010 3:51:41 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: backwoods-engineer

No, I’m not arguing that it’s killing us. Maybe autism? I don’t know. But I don’t want it in my body. I didn’t consent to it being there.

We don’t need Gore-tex or teflon pans.


55 posted on 10/12/2010 3:53:54 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Hardraade

Listen. He created them. Or made the product that used them.
Or his stepdad’s company did. The company that he himself worked for. These are man made chemicals, they don’t exist in nature. Somebody had to make them in order for them to go anywhere like my body or yours. I don’t know exactly how these poisons got from the plant to my body. But I know that Coons company used these poisons in their manufacturing process and I know I didn’t sign some release form saying they could store their poisons in my body.


56 posted on 10/12/2010 4:11:22 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
Cut and paste anything. Sweet.

Would the science be any better if the article were printed on 100% recycled paper?

You drifted into moonbat territory quite a while ago, I suspect.

Have a nice day.

57 posted on 10/12/2010 4:13:10 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: truthfreedom
Listen. He created them. Or made the product that used them. Or his stepdad’s company did.

Or something.

"And my bodily fluids are boiling, and I just *know* it is the Coons. Or the Loons."

Freaking comedian.

58 posted on 10/12/2010 4:20:23 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: truthfreedom

Hope you don’t mind. I stole your comments to taunt some anti-O’Donnell liberals in the area.


59 posted on 10/12/2010 4:40:40 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Absolutely.

The people that would benefit from hearing about the Coons poison scandal are the leftist environmentalists who would ordinarily be expected to vote for Coons.

“At least Christine hasn’t poisoned me”

Anyone, please use this material of course.


60 posted on 10/12/2010 4:46:19 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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