Posted on 09/07/2010 12:43:35 PM PDT by gjmerits
I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about.
Oh please.
When you gonna man up? Shout it out loudly that you would side with obama before you would side with us Rebs.
But of course you're not going to man up because the blood of a certified coward flows through your statist veins.
As you're well aware, Hitler wrote favorably of your side, not ours. This isn't shocking at all. Facts are against you, but socialism on the other hand, was and is your greatest ally. When that American tyrant Lincoln wasn't receiving fan mail from Marx, he was praised by future tyrants like Hitler. Maybe Poland was the property of Germany after all. s/
I see that your days being tutored by ns have paid off. You had a predetermined answer to your question and have erroneously decided that I have answered it to suit your yankee agenda.
Of course the Southern delegates were in Washington to negotiate. It's in the letter, you dumb knobhead.
I have a question for you. Is our freedom and rights God given or is it open for negotiation between men, which is what you seemed to imply?
Today's liberal writers use similar terms when describing the Tea Party: angry, racist, radical, extreme, evil, etc.
The text of Mein Kampf is easily available online. Find where Hitler praises Lincoln. You can’t, because it’s one more Lost Causer myth.
Wow! That is refreshing! Finally some truth from one of the coven.
And you would side with al Qaida, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, or the devil himself if they would make your csa redux come to be. Anyone to avoid doing it yourself. Why not admit that?
But of course you're not going to man up because the blood of a certified coward flows through your statist veins.
Another pot-meet-kettle moment.
"[T]he individual states of the American Union . . . could not have possessed any state sovereignty of their own. For it was not these states that formed the Union, on the contrary it was the Union which formed a great part of such so-called states." Adolf Lincoln
If I hold a gun to your head, then hand you a letter that says I'm willing to negotiate how much you're going to give me, would you call that a negotiation? I'd call it extortion.
A negotiation is between equals, either of which can depart at any time with what they came to the negotiation with. The southern position was that they were going to take what they wanted, whether the US wanted to accept payment or not.
I have a question for you. Is our freedom and rights God given or is it open for negotiation between men, which is what you seemed to imply?
The fact is that both are true. Are you familiar with Hobbes, Locke and social contract theory? The Founders certainly were. It's the fundamental basis of political philosophy.
But look at the parallels between Hitler and your own fuhrer, Jeff Davis. Both were born outside the countries they would rule. Both were appointed to office first, then elected in unopposed elections. Both centalized power in their own hands. Both had their government control whole industries. Both believed in a master race. Both ignored their own constitutions when it suited them. Both launched their countries into wars that eventually let to their own downfall. Both ran wartime economies heavily dependent on slave labor. The similarities are almost eerie.
That’s not praising Lincoln. That’s making an observation.
Yeah, I figured you’d be the one who would run with it. I don’t suppose it would make any difference if I cited DeBow using the term as early as 1867, would it?
We read that differently. I say it's mutual respect from one dictator to another. Kinda like tipping your hat in approval. Or, was it an excuse? Either way, they both are tyrants.
The National Socialist doctrine is not the servant of individual federated states, but shall some day become the master of the German nation. Lincoln Sr.
Hitler thought that a modern highway system was a good idea. So did Eisenhower. Was Eisenhower's idea that modern highways were a good idea a hat tip to a fellow dictator?
No, I would not.
Anyone to avoid doing it yourself. Why not admit that?
Not true. I would actually prefer the likes of you over the liberal heros that you mentioned and you're almost as far left as they are.
Another pot-meet-kettle moment.
Not this time, boy. As you can see from above I have no question about who I would align myself with.
Now, you have one last chance to man up. If you have to choose between obama or us Rebs, who you gonna pick?
Got it bookmarked, do ya?
Comparing the November 1860 election results in Texas with the state's late February 1861 secession referendum is one way of seeing whether this secessionist "fever" began a few weeks after secession began. In the 1860 Texas election, Breckenridge (Southern Democrat) got 47,548 votes. Bell (Constitutional Union) got 15,463. The February 23, 1861 vote on secession was almost a duplicate of that. A total of 46,129 voted for secession and 14,697 against. (My figures come from T. R. Fehrenbach's book, Lone Star.) There was essentially no change in Texas sentiment.
The closest thing to a "fever" might well have been the dramatic reversals in convention and/or popular votes in Virginia and Tennessee. Those were brought about by Lincoln's proclamation to invade and coerce the South, and, of course, Fort Sumter may have helped change those votes as well.
One reason that some in the South voted against secession was that they were afraid their form of government might be changed. From the New Orleans Daily Picayune of May 4, 1861:
The Belton Democrat [Texas] of the 19th says, "We have upon our table late letters from McLennon, Bosque, Ellis, Denton and Fannin counties, all stating that many who opposed secession for fear our form of government might be changed, are now ardent friends of the new government."
No, but you guys must since you're always telling us what it says. Or do you just keep a copy by your bedside?
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