Posted on 09/04/2010 7:49:41 AM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
There is nothing Christ said about all religions standing together...in fact He expressily stated believers (in Him). The cry out for religions to join together is the same cry the anti-Christ will call for....and the religions will join under the false prophet.
All you guys arguing over who’s the Christian, and who’s not! Here is how I see things:
1. You ALL are christians, even the Jehovah’s witnesses and the mormons.
2. The Mohammedans are still little boy and girl rapists, and think they are the answer to the world’s problems, but do not question them, for they will just kill you for ‘not believing enough’! And that, alone, is reason enough that they should not infest this nation.
3. I’m just a simple little WITCH, exercising my earned Constitutional rights, as both a Viet and Cold War vet, and as a licensed Pagan Priest.
4. I am a Libertarian, who thinks this Mohammedan non-citizen queer, sitting as President of the damn-finest nation in the world, should be removed -by the ballot box-, with Ms. Palin as his two-term replacement!
Long live the Republic!
Thanks for your input on behalf of Mormonism.
DEFINED: "Paganism is a blanket term, typically used to refer to polytheistic religious traditions.
CATHOLIC ANSWERS: "Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity, Mormon baptism is not valid, and Mormons are not considered separated brethren."
“I am deeply puzzled how so many are unable to see the seriousness of the situations we are in and these clueless vessels want to divide the nation at a time like this!”
Resty, you raise an important issue that I want to respond to. Your post is reflective of those who prefer unity above every other value.
... Unity above every other consideration.
... Unity as the highest value.
... Unity above truth.
... Unity as the basis for uniting around some leader or philosophy or cause.
... Unity to cover over issues that are well worth debating and discussing.
I am sympathetic to much of what you desire as an end result.
I am unsympathetic to unexamined unity.
I am unsympathetic to unity as the highest value that would sublimate all else in life to itself as the highest value of life. The very fact of free choice means we will differ on crucial life issues.
In the end, your call for unexamined unity fails because unity is not the highest value. Either truth matters - and matters deeply - or it doesn’t matter at all.
Your call for unexamined unity attempts to trump all other values. Some of those values actually outrank unity.
I love God, I love my family and I love the United States of America - in that order.
They all outrank unexamined unity.
I would also gently point out that your call for “unity” also serves your unique purposes, since you belong to a religion (mormonism) that would prefer not to be examined too closely. In fact, your religion spends millions of dollars on public relations agencies in order to change public perception and to gloss over substantial issues of truth. For this reason, I do not consider you to be objective in your calls for unity.
Can I stand with you to promote conservative government? Yes.
Can I stand with you to promote conservative values? Yes.
Can I unite with you over religion? Not a chance.
You write, “All the great religions in the world do have a common thread which all good people can stand together.”
I do not know that “all religions of the world have a common thread”. What is it?
I do know that all religions of the world can not all be equally true, since they make competing truth claims. If one claim is true, by definition, other competing truth claims will be false.
In this instance, Christianity makes a vast series of truth claims that are contradicted by mormonism. They are not both right. One is wrong.
As an American, you have the right to choose mormonism, to practice your faith freely and to speak about it publicly.
As an American, I have the right to choose Christianity and do all the above also. Part of my exercising my “all of the above” is to choose not to associate with mormons in religious settings.
And that is a higher value than unexamined unity.
Best,
ampu
We may be worthless in a foxhole, but we know what we heard.
And I heard Beck mention Wilders by name on his chalkboard.
I am aware of the interview you mentioned which makes Beck’s later put down of Wilders all the more puzzling.
I wrote a letter to Beck’s buddy, Stu, hoping for some clarification. If he responds I will share it with you.
If Beck still supports Wilders then he should publicly support his upcoming visit to speak against the mosque at Ground Zero.
Meanwhile find another foxhole.
That was a 1:32 second sound bite and one needed to know the reference it was made.
It might have sounded like he was putting down Geert but it had to do with a method that was being use and he said going down the wrong tracks is what he was referring to when including Geert.
I will try to find the whole text of the conversation.
You write, “All the great religions in the world do have a common thread which all good people can stand together.”
I do not know that “all religions of the world have a common thread”. What is it?
I do know that all religions of the world can not all be equally true, since they make competing truth claims. If one claim is true, by definition, other competing truth claims will be false.
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who fault is it if you don’t know?
Those who look for the good in others come to know that all the great Religion in the world has some form of the Ten commandments in their doctrine.
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Someday if you are still alive and should you knock on Zion door for refuge I would first make you eat crow for all your efforts trying to annihilate the Lord’s work aka will...
Remember that part in the Lord’s Prayer
Thy will (work) be done on earth as it tis in Heaven oh Lord
24/7 that is all you handful anti Mormons tried to do is to hinder the Lord’s will while the rest of mainstream religion strives to do their best!
Who wrote that for you, Resty?
why do you ask was that a swipe at the void of my dyslexia or what?
I have good days and bad days what are you the reminder of pain?
Meanwhile find another foxhole.
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You are funny get out of my foxhole...
“Those who look for the good in others come to know that all the great Religion in the world has some form of the Ten commandments in their doctrine.”
False. Try again.
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“Someday if you are still alive and should you knock on Zion door for refuge I would first make you eat crow for all your efforts trying to annihilate the Lord’s work aka will...”
There is no salvation in mormonism. It isn’t the Lord’s work, when it denies His Son. Try again.
“24/7 that is all you handful anti Mormons tried to do is to hinder the Lord’s will while the rest of mainstream religion strives to do their best!”
Nope. Mormonism has nothing to do with the Lord’s will. How could it when mormonism makes an idol out of the Lord by making him into a created thing?
As I wrote, if you choose to believe in the doctrines of mormonism, your call.
Just don’t expect Christians to join hands with you in your religious practice.
Best,
ampu
Thanks for revealing how short-sighted...
The Lord created all of the people on earth and in each they have a portion of His truth even if history in their land has been edit, distorted or omitted.
The Chirstians I know are not bigots...
Even if we assume that your aspersions on my character were correct, how would that bolster your claims that unity is the highest value all owe allegiance to above all others?
I believe it has no connection at all, except to point out that you have made an assertion without a valid argument.
Resty, your claims not withstanding, that all religions have the common thread of the 10 commandments ...
Hinduism, Buddhism and similar religions comprise about 22% of the world population. They do not worship a Supreme God. They do use idols. They do not honor the Sabbath.
Tribal religions represent great diversity of religion,
and represent about 5% of the world’s population. They do not worship a Supreme God, but multiple Gods, typically. They frequently worship idols. They do not honor the Sabbath.
To repeat my earlier point that you did not comment on...
Different faiths have competing claims of truth. They cannot all be correct.
For example, Christians and Jews believe in one God.
Mormons believe there are an infinite number of gods.
Both cannot be true. In this instance, mormonism makes a false claim that Christians do not accept.
In America, people decide those personal faith issues individually and freely.
This makes joining hands for the sole purpose of unity an exercise that sublimates absolute truth to a lesser value. Some are willing to do that. Not all are.
best,
ampu
“The Chirstians I know are not bigots...”
I have no idea why you are sharing that observation, but I would agree that Christians are not bigots. They just believe in Truth. That means that they do not believe in things that contradict the Truth.
best,
ampu
Hello you are a Bigot stop trying to white wash!
And why did you capitalize bigot?
Is that like when mormon's capitalize mormon, and church?
Gees you think your petootie don’t stink! so uppidy
I was not talking about the nature of God I was talking about each were given understanding and recevied a common thread.
AMPU you are so myopic!
No wonder you can not find the good in others...
The Dalai Lama said, “Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people’s suffering. On these lines every religion has more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal.” (5)
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Reflecting the core similarities of the world religions, in spite of the different names they have for the One God and the different forms of worship, consider a core tenet common to all: the Ethic of Reciprocity. We know it as the Golden Rule.
In the Christian Bible and the Tanakh of Judaism, Leviticus (6) stressed providing hospitality for strangers, reminding the Hebrews that they, too, were once strangers in a foreign land. The passage from 1 Corinthians (7) in the Christian Bible reminds us that there are many kinds of gifts, received in different measure. The gospel of Matthew (8) states the principle that we have come to know as the Golden Rule. This principle also appears in Luke, where it is followed by the parable of the Good Samaritan. (9)
These illustrate the principle of positive action—not just to refrain from harming others, but to do for others as we would want done to us. This principle applies not just to one’s friends, family and neighbors, but to all. It is a foundation of peace and social justice.
The Ethic of Reciprocity is older than we can know. In an early written expression, an Egyptian papyrus from the Late Period (c. 1080-332 BCE) records, “that which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another.” (10)
The Golden Rule was often expressed in ancient Greek philosophy. Sextus the Pythagorean said, “What you wish your neighbors to be to you, such be also to them.” (11)
Among the “People of the Book,” the descendants of Abraham, Judaism’s version is, “What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. This is the whole Torah; all the rest is commentary.” (12)
In Islam’s teachings the Prophet Muhammad stated, “Not one of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself.” (13)
Zoroastrianism, which the Hebrews encountered during the Babylonian exile, instructs “Do not do unto others whatever is injurious to yourself.” (14)
Among the Eastern faith traditions, Hinduism teaches: “This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you.” (15)
Sikhism, which grew out of Hinduism, teaches, “I am a stranger to no one; and no one is a stranger to me. Indeed I am a friend to all.” (16)
Buddhism, originally a practice rather than a religion, teaches, “Treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.” (17)
Confucianism, a Chinese ethical tradition, says, “One word which sums up the basis of all good conduct: … loving kindness. Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself.” (18)
Taoism, also originating in China, teaches, “Regard your neighbor’s gain as your own gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss.” (19)
While it is implied in most faith traditions, some specifically state that this principle is extended to all creation, not just to human beings.
Unitarianism, which branched out of Christianity, stresses this universality by teaching, “We affirm and promote respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.” (20)
And Native American spirituality teaches, “We are as much alive as we keep the earth alive.” (21) “Respect for all life is the foundation”—this is the Great Law of Peace.
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The Ethic of Reciprocity is one common thread among the world religions. (There are others, although these are topics for another time). This core commonality is a clue to the mystery of Truth.
Maybe in the future you could post column from folks who have more than a second grade education.
The whole purpose of this letter was Beck’s supposed wrong stance on Geert Wilders yet no one seems to be discussing it.
I don’t pay much attention to Beck and not too familiar with Wilders. So, what is the truth?
AMPU you want and need to move the bar to fit your agenda your ilk does it all the time!
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This is about looking for the good in others and building on upon that!
All mankind was given agency to live according to their conscience but in order to have harmony there is common thread that all good people live by on earth!
Sometimes we run into demigods like your ilk and the methods your ilk chooses to use fits more with the opposing team (which are not of the Lord) than the Creator’s team!
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