Posted on 05/10/2010 1:57:51 PM PDT by Patriot1259
"I've seen Poland and talked with the people and I know that Poland is not under Soviet domination." >> President Gerald Ford in 1976
Looks like Detroit to me.
But for those truly interested: Hogue News
But you don’t understand...Palin is actually a Democrat operative posing as a RINO posing as a conservative Republican , with the sole intent and purpose of making REAL conservatives vote for her, thus ensuring that Obama is re-elected. At least that’s what I’m led to believe by some here. (/sarc)
“.....That was then, this is now.”
My conservatism gives me optimism
among other things. I don’t
know what yours gives you.
What was, can still be.
Jealous are you.
Many on FR love the hype of bitching and would rather have liberals in office to gripe on.
They love Obama, they couldn’t vote for him so sat at home or voted third party.
In any event DeVore has to be far superior to Boxer on this issue, as would Fiorina.
I highly doubt Palin was even aware of this statement. I’d guess it was a simple issue of Fiorina asking her for her support, along with having an understandable interest in endorsing other conservative and pro-life women when the opportunity presents itself.
Again, we don’t another Jim Demint or Tom Coburn in CA. Demint’s vote against the health care bill counted just as much as Collins’ did or as much as Murkowski’s did, and if we had one more last year, it wouldn’t have passed.
Now, the primary is for settling all this, but I’d hope that whoever wins is able to get everyone on board to beat Boxer, because that’s what ultimately matters.
Go ahead and mock conservatives now turning on Palin. No, Palin is not anything you suggest, mockingly or otherwise.
What she has become is simple, she’s morphing into GOP establishment and that establishment is inhabited by RINO (e.g. McCain, Graham et al.).
She needed cashola, she got some high paid gigs, she became a rockstar pundit and a bit of a joker. Got herself some good oneliners and a following. But she or the GOP RINO establishment (e.g. Cornyn) trotted her off to pimp Fiorina and that made the conservative base mad. Now she is scrambling for damage control. What she gonna do? Attack conservatives? That would be a typical McLame tactic. Yeah she might morph into Sarah McQueeg yet.
Likely Ms. Youbetcha will continue making mistakes because she doesn’t have the balls to go up against the RINO leaders and she does not really know what else to do. It’s a shame.
To look for an example of what Sarah needed to become, one need look no further than:
Michele Bachmann
I’m of the mind as another freeper said: let them re-elect Boxer and when Cali goes into complete and utter fail (which is will), only the Dems will be to blame. But if a republican wins, you can bet liberals will cast the blame on the GOP for Cali’s failure- and the MSM will gladly join in that blame.
“Now, the primary is for settling all this, but I’d hope that whoever wins is able to get everyone on board to beat Boxer, because that’s what ultimately matters.”
I disagree. What ultimately matters is that when California fails, and it will, that the Leftist dem socialists are held accountable. With fiorina in office and Whitman in the guv seat, guess who gets the finger? The dems are masters at the blame game.
Better to have DeVore installed yes, but if he can’t make it, better to have Boxer returned so we can use her as a punching bag while we prepare to take out Feinstein, the CA state legislature, the county governments, the CA AG and CA SOS, etc.
One US senate seat is not going to rescue California.
Thanks for the link. Could not find the DeVore quote on “not an existential threat”. But the transcript shows DeVore has a command of tax issues, Middle east issues and WOT issues. He looks good.
"Senator Inhofe, like the global warming fear mongers you so admirably excoriate, you are taking action without verifying the facts. The only explanation that comes to mind for this is the fact that your nephew works for Fiorina's campaign. At a minimum, this conflict should be disclosed before you ask the voters of California to take your word that Ms. Fiorina is the conservative she claims to be.
I know a little bit about Carly Fiorina, having watched her almost destroy the company my grandfather founded. So, allow me to disillusion you of a few of your stated reasons for supporting her."
The Packards Want Carly Fiorina to Pack It In (Letter from Arianna Packard)
Does anybody actually know Fiorina? Why does she want this power? And who wants her to have it?
HP is a great company with fantastic employees - worked with their mainframes for 20 years, nothing but excellence.
That Inhofe (a man I’ve always held in regard) wants her is strange.
"Short answer to your question is yes, it is unconstitutional and for that reason, I signed a pledge to repeal Obamacare four months ago. Carly Fiorina signed it the day after it passed and Tom Campbell still hasn't signed the pledge.
"To go back to the previous question, though, I think it's very important what's going on in Afghanistan. It's very important that we understand that the Taliban and Al-qaida does not present a existential threat to the United States. They don't have an industrial base. They don't have armies. They're terrorists. Now, because of the fact that Afghanistan has no means of national support for a large army, where is the endgame? Are you proposing that we just stay in Afghanistan until they develop a modern economy and a modern democracy? For heaven's sakes, their constitution was drafted by the French as part of the NATO mission and it envisions a strong central government which is inimical like afghan culture and tradition. I'm an intelligence officer. I'm a lieutenant colonel. I've studied this issue. We need to kill our enemies. We don't need to build a modern nation state where one cannot exist for 100 years."
oops, too late. Sarah officially infected Michele with the RINO-virus on April 7 when they campaigned together in Michele's district.
And I might add that Sarah must have spiked the kool-aid, because they looked awfully chummy in their Fox news appearance together.
Time to write Michele Bachmann off; she's gone full-bore RINO!!!! (/sarc)
The text of his rebuttal statement ...
To go back to the previous question though, I think it's very important what's going on in Afghanistan. It's very important that we understand that the Taliban and Al Qaeda does not present an existential threat to the United States. [emphasis is his]
They don't have an industrial base; they don't have armies. They're terrorists. Now, because of the fact that Afghanistan has no means of national support for a large army -- where is the end-game? [emphasis his] Are you proposing that we just stay in Afghanistan until they develop a modern economy and a modern democracy?
For Heaven's sakes, their constitution was drafted by the French as part of the NATO mission and it envisions a strong central government which is inimical to Afghan culture and tradition. I'm an intelligence officer. I'm a lieutenant colonel. I've studied this issue. We need to kill our enemies. [emphasis his] We don't need to build a modern nation-state where one cannot exist for a hundred years.
It's as I've said before... this is nothing but the same lame type of thinking that existed prior to the 9/11 attack.
Take a look at it this way. They didn't have a modern army back before 9/11 either. They didn't have the national support for a large army back then either, prior to 9/11. They weren't a modern nation-state back then, prior to 9/11 either.
BUT, in spite of that, they did great damage to the U.S. and it's economy and caused us to bring our own full military power to bear -- and we're still bringing it to bear now.
Chuck DeVore wants to act like a liberal and "cut and run" from the way I see it. And he's using the "justification" to do it -- that "they don't have an army; they can't support an army; they are not a modern nation-state" ... and by saying "where is the end-game" ... he's proposing the "cut-and-run" solution that we all have heard about from the Marxist/Leftists/Liberals... except that now -- Chuch DeVore is one of them ...
Sure, just like the Democrats... "kill our enemies" ... yeah sure ... LOL ...
I'm guessing that the next thing you'll hear from Chuck DeVore is "Don't forget to read them their miranda rights, too ... :-) ...
Nope, we don't need any more liberals in dealing with terrrorists -- taking a seat in the United States Senate... stay home, Chuck DeVore...
Also, as I said in Post #27 ...
Well, I see that's the problem that certain types like DeVore have. Before 9/11 there were a lot of "supposition" about Al Qaeda and what could happen in the way of a major terrorist attack. I know as I followed it back then in the late 90s and all the way up to 9/11. And I'm seeing and hearing the same "pre-9/11 rhetoric" now ... once again ...
A lot of people back then dismissed things too ... until the "facts came in" -- those "facts" are now called "9/11" ...
Well, we don't need anyone waiting for those "facts" like 9/11 to arrive, before they will treat things like the Taliban and Al Qaeda as existential threats (as the Bush Administration had no problem doing and they did treat them as existential threats; unlike this Obama Administration and unlike Chuck DeVore).
Sorry, I'm going to go on what is the supposition from known experience that we've already had in the past ... and I'm not waiting for the "facts" of a nuked metropolitan area to "confirm the theory" ...
Chuck DeVore can stay out of the Senate with the attitude that the Taliban and Al Qaeda represent no existential threat to the United States. I don't want to have to be telling him the "facts" of a nuked city -- after it happens ...
And as I said in Post #13
That is nothing but pre-9/11 "thinking" that got us into this trouble in the first place ... thinking that they were no threat to us... yeah! until they did that on 9/11 ... hoo-boy!
And yet again, it's exactly this type of "thinking" that Chuck DeVore exhibits here, that will lead to the next major attack on the United States by either the Taliban or Al Qaeda or any of the Muslim terrorists working out of that general region.
The Bush Administration made a real point of that (i.e., the threat being very real and existential) ... and we could be talking about weapons of mass destruction, like biological, affecting millions upon millions of people, or nukes, taking about two or three or four major metropolitan areas.
But, even if they did take out three major metropolitan areas, at once, with nukes -- would that cause the U.S. to cease to exist... nope! However, it would exist in a radically different world, afterwards -- just like that radically different world after 9/11.
Apparently some people want to have that happen first -- before they perceive an "existential threat" to the U.S. -- it sure sounds like "pre-9/11 thinking" to me... and so, I think that's a sure sign that many have slipped back into that disinterested thinking of pre-9/11...
And if we've got this guy, Chuck DeVore in that pre-9/11 thinking too... as evidenced by what he just said -- then we don't need him in the U.S. Senate, at all.
Yeah I remember that chumminess and I remember it was the pre-fiorina Palin.
That’s the point. There is a pre-fiorina Palin and there is a post-fiorina Palin and there is nothing you or I can do about it.
Go on with your absurdities about Bachmann. The fact is she knows how not to step in it.
Michele will say nothing about the fiorina endorsement. She will give the neutral political answer. I will bet she will not endorse fiorina nor will she endorse anyone else in California. She knows it’s radioactive.
Palin OTOH has lost sensitivity as she is morphed by constant compromise and RINO hormone exposure as she is unfortunately in their proximity and has her schedule interlapping with theirs. So she takes the fiorina promotion assignment and fails to see the road conditions as she runs into an accident pileup.
No one among the conservative asked her or even suggested that she endorse McCain or fiorina. But there is reasonable suspicion that it was someone like Cornyn that influenced her to do it.
Take me off your ping list.
Thank you. It shows Devore has experience and intelligence.
The quote was taken out of context.
The Palin-Fiorina people are pulling a Romney. It stinks just as Romney stinks.
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