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VANITY QUESTION: What will kick off the economic collapse?
Feb 26, 2010 | geronl

Posted on 02/26/2010 12:22:23 PM PST by GeronL

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To: GeronL

When the last 2 or 3 economic cheerleaders here on FR finally throw in the towel.


41 posted on 02/26/2010 1:08:30 PM PST by NeoCaveman ("workers of the world unite, it's not just a slogan anymore" SEIU's Andy Stern)
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To: Jewbacca
Economic collapse, if it comes, will come in 2010-11, definitely before the next presidential election. Planned Parenthood, ACORN, NPR, all of those are small potatoes compared to Medicare A/B, Medicare D, Medicaid and Social Security.

I'm thinking that if abortion was not as legal is it is, there are probably millions of people more in the US able to keep Social Security going. Plus, there would be less illegal aliens working in the US who send their earnings to Mexico. Instead, there would be US citizens working those jobs, spending or saving in the US.

Medicare D should be repealed, then Medicare A/B, then Social Security, in that order. Every other budget item don't do much for the debt/deficit.

42 posted on 02/26/2010 1:08:39 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: GeronL

You’re right about China, but realize this is a two-way street. By pegging their currency to the dollar, they’ve kept prices for China-made goods artificially low, but in doing so they’ve also created millions of jobs for Chinese peasants, something decades of Communism failed to do. They need someone to continue consuming at the rate we have been, or those factories start to slow down, and they have angry, starving people to deal with. The resolution of the trade imbalance will be a delicate tightrope act, with serious consequences for both sides if they screw it up.

Historically, the US Dollar has been the safe haven investment. Why? Because up til now the world has had great faith in our ability to fulfill our promises. More than any other nation, China has bet it’s future on the US, by accumulating huge reserves ($1-2 trillion, most agree) in exchange for all the stuff we’ve bought from them. But what is a dollar? It’s not gold or “real money”, it’s just a promise to pay. China has some difficult times ahead, as the economic lifeblood they need can no longer come from US at the rate it has in the past, and as they are forced to revalue the RMB.

Here’s my doomsday scenario - probably triggered by some random event we can’t even begin to predict:

The financial markets will suddenly realize there is much more risk to US Treasuries than has been priced in thus far. This will either force the Treasury to pay higher interest to attract buyers, or the Fed will be told to print up more money to buy the T bills that otherwise would not be sold. This will bring the specter of inflation - say at 10% or higher, with no growth until the debt is inflated away. Because it requires no overt political action, I think this is likely the default choice (especially considering the gutless wonders we have in DC).

All the easy options are behind us. The 30+ year orgy is over, the days of over-spending and over-consuming will end, one way or the other, ushering in a new economic reality. The only thing that is certain is that the economy of the future is going to be a lot different than the economy of the past. And it will be painful.


43 posted on 02/26/2010 1:09:17 PM PST by bigbob
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To: GeronL

A war between Israel and Iran that would close the Persian Gulf. The price of oil would skyrocket, gasoline would go way up in price, igniting inflation and layoffs. Stock market would collapse. Hussein would not know how to react.


44 posted on 02/26/2010 1:14:50 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I second that.
Too bad the voters did not listen to Ross Perot 20 years ago when he warned us of the giant sucking sound that is all your jobs leaving the country. Politicians, bankers and big business have been screwing the people for many years in many ways.
Too bad we dont have a free press. I trust Russia Today (Pravda) more then I trust the mainstream media.
Rant off


45 posted on 02/26/2010 1:15:44 PM PST by winodog (We've got more people voting for a living than we do working for a living.")
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To: Niuhuru
It’s likely that at some point a lot of people who work and have worked hard will simply leave the country and emigrate to countries like Panama, Costa Rica, small countries with little bureaucracy. After taking their money, manpower, and skills out of the country, the government will likely end up supporting an entire welfare nation that will go bankrupt and there won’t be anyone to start/run/build businesses since no one will want their businesses in the US because of taxation, forced AA, and other similar things.

THen the US will completely collapse and be left out of future business/diplomatic/military alliances and treaties, business or otherwise.

If that was true, Sweden would have collapsed a long time ago. Taxation doesn't destroy countries, it just weakens them, they get slow and a bit lazy. It *does not* cause mass emigration. Countries collapse when they default on their debts. Taxation is odious, debt is fatal.
46 posted on 02/26/2010 1:17:52 PM PST by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Yeah...coming for sure...and watch for taxes etc. on foreign companies here to esculate.


47 posted on 02/26/2010 1:20:10 PM PST by caww
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Hussein would not know how to react.

He would enact emergency powers, dissolve congress and become Presidente for life. Ala Hugo Chavez, they are buds you know.

48 posted on 02/26/2010 1:23:26 PM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: ketsu

Well, Sweden is a small country that doesn’t have the amount of people we have on the rolls, plus our country is bigger and much more people literally flooding in.


49 posted on 02/26/2010 1:32:38 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: mylife

You should try signing out and then resigning in. It’s happened to me too.


50 posted on 02/26/2010 1:33:14 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

I did. It didn’t help.


51 posted on 02/26/2010 1:34:14 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: mylife

I had the same problem for a while today. I thought maybe my check had bounced.


52 posted on 02/26/2010 1:34:39 PM PST by Ditter
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To: MikeWUSAF

what about matching shoes?


53 posted on 02/26/2010 1:34:48 PM PST by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: mylife

Or erase your website history. I think that’s what fixed it. I don’t know why, but it did.


54 posted on 02/26/2010 1:35:31 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: NeoCaveman

lol!


55 posted on 02/26/2010 1:35:57 PM PST by GeronL (Political Philosophy: I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: Ditter

It could have. The bank maybe insolvent!


56 posted on 02/26/2010 1:36:23 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: b4its2late

#9

Thats probably close to the truth


57 posted on 02/26/2010 1:36:27 PM PST by GeronL (Political Philosophy: I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: mylife

I couldn’t see my post 4 minutes after I posted it. The server seems a bit slow


58 posted on 02/26/2010 1:37:10 PM PST by GeronL (Political Philosophy: I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: green pastures

lol


59 posted on 02/26/2010 1:38:01 PM PST by GeronL (Political Philosophy: I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: Niuhuru

It all seems to be fine now. For now...


60 posted on 02/26/2010 1:38:15 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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