Obama Birth Certificate - Hawaii Revised Law

vibe.us ^ | 12/27/2008 | Forsetti

[TigersEye]

If you think that this:

 

 

Is a high-resolution copy of this:

 

 

 

Then you need to be in this:

 

LOL

[TigersEye]

I sure is interesting that you would pick the time of 7:24 for your fake 0bama COLB. What are the odds that his birth was the exact same time as what appears on this otherwise blank HI COLB on the internet?

[Man50D]

What you seem unable to comprehend is that there are valid factual and legal reasons for believing Obama is a natural born citizen.

None has been provided and that is the whole point of people demanding BO/BS prove he meets the Constitutional requirement of clause 5 by producing his long form birth certificate. Instead he has spent nearly 2 million dollars on a team of lawyers to fight producing any documentation confirming he is a natural born citizen. Millions of Americans could produce such documentation in short order if necessary.

So citing the fact that the Constitution requires the President to be a NBC is not the all purpose answer you seem to think it is. Basically, you're insisting that the sky isn't blue because you interpret the word “blue” to mean “blue-green.”

Clause five is the very answer and can't be repeated enough. I didn't interpret anything. I merely copy and pasted clause five. It can't be interpreted any other way other than the way it was written. The Constitution was specifically written by our founding fathers to be unambiguous. It is a clear concise document free of legalese so we the people can understand exactly what our founding fathers intended. Claiming clause five can be interpreted couldn't be more off the mark. BO/BS has failed to prove he is a natural born citizen. I and millions of other Americans are insisting he obey the Constitution. I will be repeating clause 5 until BO/BS either produces the long form birth certificate or he is removed from office.

[jamese777]

That image has been on the internet since the spring of 2008 and no prosecutor in the nation has launched an investigation for forgery or fraud.

Any local district attorney, any state’s Attorney General or any US Attorney where that image appeared could investigate its authenticity, but none have.

Quite a few state Attorneys General (including Hawaii’s) have independent subpoena power, meaning they don’t need a judge to issue a subpoena and Hawaii law allows confidential birth records to be released “by an order of a court of competent juridiction.” No prosecutor has subpoenaed Obama’s original birth records for comparison to the internet posted images.

As to the time of birth shown on the internet image, the St. Petersburg Times newspaper did a pretty thorough investigation of Obama’s COLB and they received their own copy of the document from the Hawaii Department of Health.

Here are their findings:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

If any prosecutor in the nation were to launch a Grand Jury investigation into possible criminal charges for forgery or fraud in the posting of that image of Obama’s alleged COLB, I would be delighted to finally have the issues resolved under the rules of evidence and with expert testimony taken under oath with the threat of perjury.

[jamese777]

Here’s a link to the REAL image that appeared on the Daily Kos website (and is still available there). It is not blank.
http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

You might remember that a part of the original furor over the Daily Kos’ COLB image was the listing of “African” as the race of Barack Obama’s father. That made many folks sure that it was a forged document.

[curiosity]

By now the three of you are aware that 40 out of 90 representatives in the Arizona legislature have sponsored a bill that would require candidates to prove that they are conseitutionally eligible candidate.

Good. I support their efforts. Even though there is overwhelming evidence that Obama is a NBC, the one good thing to come out of this birther flap is the realization that there is no official vetting process for presidential candidates. Having one would be useful. At the very least, it would discourage the kind of nonsensical birther theorizing that we're seeing on this site and others.

They are evidently concerned enough to propose legislation that would prevent a usurper from gaining access to a government representative position.

I seriously doubt any of them are concerned about Obama's eligibility. No sane person who takes the time to honestly look at the evidence will doubt he's eligible.

Rather, I suspect that they share my concern: it's not healthy for the body politic to have such a large number of people doubting the eligibility of the president. Having an official vetting process in place will make it a lot harder for birther movements to catch on.

They are evidently concerned enough to propose legislation that would prevent a usurper from gaining access to a government representative position.

Oh, yes, this is going away, because there is nothing to it.

Here's what will happen. Arizona or some other state will pass a law requiring all candidates on the ballot to show the secretary of state proof of eligbility. Obama will show them his COLB. The sec. of state will call Hawaii to authenticate it, and its authenticity will be confirmed. The sec. of state will officially declare that Obama is eligible. And that will be the end of it.

Oh sure, the Orlies, Keyeses and Bergs of the world won't be satisfied with that, but 90% of the people who currently have doubts about bambi's eligibility, that is, those who don't have the time or interest to do the research necessary to see that birther claims are bunk, will realize it once the above happens.

And that will be the end of it.

[parsifal]

A very wise and sane response. I wonder, though, how long the birther core will stay together. Will they be having birther conventions in 2020? Will we still be seeing birther threads in 2029, assuming we are still alive?

parsy, who thinks some of these people have got some serious mental issues going on...

[parsifal]

OMG, is this thread still going? Haven’t any of these birther goobers ever read Wong? I’m not sure it would help. I’m on another birther insanity thread, and even when you put the language in their face, they still run from it. Like vampires from a silver cross, smeared with garlic juice, and the bottom shaped like a stake.

parsy, who does now believe birtherism is an illness worthy of DSM IV inclusion

[curiosity]

A very wise and sane response. I wonder, though, how long the birther core will stay together.

As long as Obama's president. Hopefully, that means they'll lose interest in 2013.

Will they be having birther conventions in 2020?

I doubt it.

[TigersEye]

The list of flaws in the Kos COLB is as long as my arm.

[jamese777]

It is not possible to determine a document’s accuracy from a photoshopped copy on a web site. You need to compare the internet copy with an original hard copy. At least that’s the way it would work in a court of law.

But this is irrelevant since the state of Hawaii has already confirmed and verified Obama’s birth in Honolulu and the US Constitution in Article 2, Section 1 only requires a President to be 35 years of age, born in the United States and 14 years a resident of the United States.

[TigersEye]

It is not possible to determine a document’s accuracy from a photoshopped copy on a web site.

Good point! Which is another way of saying no one has seen a legitimate COLB.

But this is irrelevant since the state of Hawaii has already confirmed and verified Obama’s birth in Honolulu...

Nowhere has any official in HI said that he was born in Honolulu. That's another lie.

[jamese777]

The Pulitzer Prize winning political investigations unit of St. Petersburg Times (”Politifact”) obtained their own copy of the Obama COLB directly from the state of Hawaii and they interviewed Janice Okubo, Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health about the copy that Hawaii sent to that newspaper. You can read their report here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Here is the statement released by the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health that I was referring to:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr-chiyome-fukino-confirms-president-obamas-natural-citizenship/
And here’s a link to the original state of Hawaii press release of Dr. Fukino’s statement:
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

[TigersEye]

On June 13, 2008, Obama's campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com.

That's from your link. You lied. It was not obtained from the HI dept of health. It's the same old cyber-fake they gave to Kos. Also none of the statements your link goes to says anything about being born in Honolulu. You lied about that too.

[tired_old_conservative]

The mindset is completely closed. They’re simply not accepting any input at odds with the story they’ve constructed in their heads.

[Cvengr]

Thanks for the post.

[jamese777]

The mindset is completely closed. They’re simply not accepting any input at odds with the story they’ve constructed in their heads.

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That’s ok, its like when your children have to accept the fact that there’s no Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy. I’m trying to bring them down gently.

[jamese777]

That’s from your link. You lied. It was not obtained from the HI dept of health. It’s the same old cyber-fake they gave to Kos. Also none of the statements your link goes to says anything about being born in Honolulu. You lied about that too.

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I think you missed these sections that are also from my link: “We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.”

[TigersEye]

In a phone call to Dr. Alvin Onaka, the Hawaii State Registrar and Head of the Office of Health Status Monitoring (OSHM), of which Vital Records is a part. Dr. Ron Polarik posed as a writer doing genealogy research, knowing that if he portrayed himself as yet another investigator seeking information on Obama's birth records, that he would be immediately shot down. Strictly speaking, he was collecting vital record information on Obama's heritage, after all.

Then, Polarik slipped in the the following question. He asked him if Janice Okubo had confirmed that his office produced a 2007 Certification of Live Birth, date-stamped June 6, 2007, with Obama's birth information on it, and he quickly replied:

"Absolutely not. No one in our office confirmed it."

[TigersEye]

Genealogist Says It's Bogus

A third investigator, a genealogist, says The FactCheck.org Certificates of Live Birth (COLB) have been an issue since they were posted.  In an attempt to backup the original forgery posted on the Obama campaign website, "Fight the Smears," FactCheck.org overlooked glaring errors with both COLBs.  I reference that there are two separate and individual documents as one clearly shows an embossed SEAL while the other does not.  The one that does contain an embossed SEAL, however is not an official SEAL from the State of Hawaii Department of Health, and hence, the document itself is already in question.
 
Here (in an image rich file) in an attempt to identify additional ink markings from the Statement and Signature Stamp applied to the back of an authentic Certificate from the Vital Records Department, I will be using the FactCheck.org images and developing a composite image based on several layers, and seeing if any additional indications can be detected.

This genealogist concludes the COLBs are forgeries, plain and simple.

Forgery #1 - The COLB posted on 'Fight the Smears' - No Stamp, No Seal, evidence of tampering and forgery. Sandra Ramsey Lines, Ron Polirak, and myself, among others.

Forgery #2 - FactCheck - Two different COLB's one with a SEAL, however NOT an Official State of Hawaii Department of Health SEAL

Forgery #3 - FactCheck - COLB without a SEAL, image of COLB being held up. High resolution and NO indicating of a SEAL.

So, how can there be three versions of a document that Hawaii NEVER issued?