Posted on 01/15/2010 1:04:51 PM PST by Notoriously Conservative
For the reason to carry on the race, yes
Watching some of my son’s school friends grow from age 3 and up I am not so sure you’re correct. I have watched two of my sons schoolmates, a girl and boy, who each display all the characteristics of their opposite sex. While these kids may not technically be gay at age 8 through 10 I am pretty sure how the movie will come out. So were they born gay?...time will tell, but I’ll take bets on it now. My take is God has a plan and I need to pay closer attention to what he is trying to tell me. Hopefully, for these children they are not gay, a meaner lifestyle I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy, and they grow up to have normal lives. But like I said, I don’t think this is how the movie will end.
I’m not sure your argument is persuasive. There are plenty of genetic defects that discourage - or, in many cases, prevent - reproduction. Just consider any of the genetic problems that cause miscarriages or severe birth defects. These do not die out, largely because there are carriers who are not themselves afflicted with the condition. Who’s to say the same is not true about a hypothetical homosexual gene?
I am not saying that homosexuality is in any way genetic, only that the continued existence of homosexuals does not conclusively prove that it is not.
Minor pedantic pet peeve: this is redundant, as lesbians are homosexuals. Sometimes people make this unnecessary distinction because they think that "homo" is from the Latin root meaning "man", as in Homo sapiens, when it's actually a Greek prefix meaning "same", as in homogenized milk.
Anyway, I agree with your overall point. I think an even more fundamental point is that a genetic predisposition, even if it did exist, has no bearing on the moral rightness or wrongness of a given voluntary activity.
And of course, gay men & lesbians CAN have children together, they just claim to not enjoy it, I guess.
Well, in any case, that is only one facet of my argument.
I had a colleague a few years ago. His 10 YO son was the incarnation of Ross the Intern. I kid you not. Young man wanted a feather boa for Christmas. I’m really sure he’d never seen the Tonight Show, so I don’t think it was an act. He was that way every time I saw him. Either something is going to change or this young man is going to be flaming in a few years. Which is probably going to astound his very devout LDS parents.
2 words: Anne Heche.
Case closed.
“How could “genetic” homosexuality maintain itself in the population?”
There is another objection to the notion of a genetically
induced homosexuality. An unreproductive behavior
cannot be “genetic” and also continue to exist in the population. According to mainstream genetics,
genetically enforced homosexuality (exclusively same-sex
sex) would die out of the population in several generations.
Here’s how. A gene is retained in the gene pool when an average of at least one child is born to every
adult having that gene (one child per person). As unlikely
as it sounds, surveys show that of persons classifying
themselves as exclusively homosexual, one in five has a child. At that rate, a homosexual gene, or
genes, could not be replaced.
But most homosexuals may be married (see Chapter Two). Wouldn’t this preserve any homosexual
gene or genes? Not necessarily. A married homosexual is (usually) bisexual. According to surveys, bisexuals
have an average
of 1.25 children each.
On its own, that’s enough to replace the adult gene or genes, but the
average total number of children produced by bisexuals and exclusive homosexuals still comes to less than
one child per person
- 0.9. At that rate, any homosexual gene or genes would still slowly but inevitably breed
out of the population.
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/Ch1.pdf
I don’t see how God can allow a baby to be born a homosexual and then condem that child to hell.
You don’t get to pick your children - you just have to love them up, teach em right and wrong, shit from shinola, and then pray they will have a happy life. Don’t know what it all means, but I really love watching kids grow. As for your friend, he knows exactly what he is seeing, but he loves his son and has no power to change him. Sometimes there is grace in acceptance of things you cannot change. I am sure there is grace in love. My two cents.
Do you think hermaphrodites are born that way, those with both male and female sex organs? We know that they are born that way.
The new embryo is neither male nor female, but sex is determined later during gestation through the introduction of hormones to the growing fetus. I think the same improper introduction of those hormones which produces the hermaphrodite also probably produces people with same sex attraction. Just something slightly askew when the sex determination takes place during fetal growth.
Just my theory on the matter. But what do you think causes the hermaphrodite?
Interesting. Is this mechanism applicable to other rare genetic diseases as well?
Are you arguing about the existence of God and Hell, or about that of homosexuality?
The mistake by BOTH sides is that they see this as an either/or thing. What if some ARE born gay, and some “choose”, or are otherwise twisted into the lifestyle? Absolutists on both sides obscure what might be the truth.
Wow. That's a very good point!
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