(Discussion Thread) Romney's 1994 Debate With Ted Kennedy: Is Romney a 'Real Conservative?'

It's quite ironic that I'm being castrated by so-called "fellow conservatives" rather than the MSM.

I've looked back through your posts over the last month and NOTHING indicates to me that you are a conservative.

Please point to where I suggested that Romney was a conservative.

Look at the title to this thread. YOU are the one asking, that means YOU think he might be.

If some other blog pimp wrote, "Is Hillary Clinton a Conservative?" everyone would laugh, this is pretty much the same thing.

You'd think Freepers would welcome the chance to show their political prowess to other conservative communities - it might attract more people to this community.

Real conservatives ALREADY KNOW.

And yet you haven’t posted your argument regarding Romney and Kennedy yet on this thread. Why not?

I don’t see how my feelings about Romney could possibly serve as the exclusive indicator of my conservatism

Hum...

That may be the problem right there...

Let me illustrate:

Let us say the one comes to me and says "I am a rabid Liberal who believes that Marxism is the only way" and then proceeds to talk to me about their stock portfolio and how much they love free market capitalism I would get a wee bit suspicious of their dedication to the cause the claim to represent...

Does that give you some insight?

Nice. Coming from a RomneyBot like yourself, I understand your disgust with this "conservative site". It doesn't meet your standards for moderatism and liberalism.

Truth is, its you who is stuck on stupid, not FRee Republic.

Hit the road!

If you were a REAL Conservative, RomneyBOT Newbie,
you would post on your site how Romney used illegal
executive authority to usurp the MASS Constitution.

WANT TO BET YOU WILL NOT?

"Experts: Credit Romney for homosexual marriage"
"What he (Governor/Dictator Mitt Romney) did was exercise illegal legislative authority'
"While former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney claims he did everything possible to throttle homosexual marriage in his state – his campaign now saying he took "every conceivable step within the law to defend traditional marriage" – several constitutional experts say that just isn't so.
"What Romney did [was] he exercised illegal legislative authority," Herb Titus said of the governor's actions after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court released its opinion in the Goodridge case in 2003. "He was bound by what? There was no order. There wasn't even any order to the Department of Public Health to do anything."
Titus, a Harvard law graduate, was founding dean of Pat Robertson's Regent University Law School. He also worked with former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, ...
Romney's aides have told WND that after four of the seven court members reinterpreted the definition of marriage, he believed he had no choice but to direct clerks and others to change state marriage forms and begin registering same-sex couples.

Some opponents contend that with those actions, Romney did no more or less than create the first homosexual marriages recognized in the nation. And Titus agrees."
"....But the court's decision conflicts with the constitutional philosophy of three co-equal branches of government: executive, legislative and judicial, Titus said. It also violates with the Massachusetts Constitution, which states: "The power of suspending the laws, or (suspending) the execution of the laws, ought never to be exercised but by the legislature..."
And it cannot even be derived from the opinion itself, asserts the pro-family activist group Mass Resistance, which says the decision did four things:
* First, it acknowledged that the current law does not permit same-sex marriage.
"The only reasonable explanation is that the Legislature did not intend that same-sex couples be licensed to marry. We conclude, as did the judge, that G.L. c. 207 may not be construed to permit same-sex couples to marry."
* Second, it said it is NOT striking down the marriage laws (among other things, the Massachusetts Constitution forbids a court to change laws)
"Here, no one argues that striking down the marriage laws is an appropriate form of relief."
* Third, it declared that not allowing same-sex marriages is a violation of the Massachusetts Constitution.
"We declare that barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violates the Massachusetts Constitution."
* And fourth, given that the court is not changing any laws, the SJC gave the Legislature 180 days to "take such action as it may deem appropriate."
"We vacate the summary judgment for the department. We remand this case to the Superior Court for entry of judgment consistent with this opinion. Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion."
After the Legislature did nothing during the 180 days, Romney then took action "on his own," the group said.
"Gov. Romney's legal counsel issued a directive to the Justices of the Peace that they must perform same-sex marriages when requested or 'face personal liability' or be fired," the group said."

Real conservatives ALREADY KNOW.

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Even liberals know about this site. :)

It's a multi front battle Charles.

Liberal and/or socialist ideas are bad no matter whose uniform they wear....

If FR fails to raise money because of refusing to further define down Conservatism...

Well, perhaps at some point more will get the point...

I still have faith even if the lesson seem to be harder for many to learn each cycle...

I've looked back through your posts over the last month and NOTHING indicates to me that you are a conservative.

BS.

Look at the title to this thread. YOU are the one asking, that means YOU think he might be.

A person is perfectly capable of asking a question without simultaneously asserting an answer. I have NOT here supported Mitt Romney, and certainly not RomneyCare. I've been widely and publicly critical of the bailouts and universal healthcare - of any kind. You would have found that had you actually read anything I've posted.

If some other blog pimp wrote, "Is Hillary Clinton a Conservative?" everyone would laugh, this is pretty much the same thing.

What an asinine analogy. I've been a member and contributor of this website for months. I'm beginning to doubt if YOU are a conservative after the way you've responded to me.

Real conservatives ALREADY KNOW.

Despite what you might think, there are MILLIONS of conservatives who are unaware of this website's existence. There's nothing wrong with trying to interconnect conservatives. The better connected conservatives are, the more influence we can have. And for anyone interested in my specific perspective about conservatism (though I don't see why I should have to prove myself to post a blog link in the BLOG SECTION). Here you go: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Conservative_Brawler_Defining_Conservatism

That is the point Seth, you need to raise your flag THEN ask for response.

The tactic you are using may well be just as it appears, but please understand it has been used here by Romney's paid bloggers and other sycophants in the past as well, acting in less than honest ways. You may well be just unlucky in that your approach is similar despite being honest.

There were a lot of games played here by team Romney hacks, and there still are a few, including newbies still showing up, so understand that there is a history here you have stepped in the middle of. It is not personal if you indeed are honest in your presentation, it is just a misunderstanding based on past activities of others.

That is the point Seth, you need to raise your flag THEN ask for response.

The tactic you are using may well be just as it appears, but please understand it has been used here by Romney's paid bloggers and other sycophants in the past as well, acting in less than honest ways. You may well be just unlucky in that your approach is similar despite being honest.

There were a lot of games played here by team Romney hacks, and there still are a few, including newbies still showing up, so understand that there is a history here you have stepped in the middle of. It is not personal if you indeed are honest in your presentation, it is just a misunderstanding based on past activities of others.

That is the point Seth, you need to raise your flag THEN ask for response.

The tactic you are using may well be just as it appears, but please understand it has been used here by Romney's paid bloggers and other sycophants in the past as well, acting in less than honest ways. You may well be just unlucky in that your approach is similar despite being honest.

There were a lot of games played here by team Romney hacks, and there still are a few, including newbies still showing up, so understand that there is a history here you have stepped in the middle of. It is not personal if you indeed are honest in your presentation, it is just a misunderstanding based on past activities of others.

BS.

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What a compelling argument. I am truly impressed.

It offers me no insight because I’ve done nothing of the sort. I asked a question, without yet taking a stance. Though the idiotic response I’ve received here has discourage me from ever contributing to this community again.

I have to approve all comments on my blog (to avoid flaming and advertisements). If you post these links as a comment, I will absolutely approve them. I’ve no problem with these stories... dunno where everyone gets of pretending like I’m a rabid Romney supporter. I don’t hate the man as much as most of you clearly seem to do... but there’s no justification for pretending like I’ve been a “RomneyBot.”

Incorrigible Newbie RomneyBOT: "...I’ve nowhere here expressed support for Romney, and certainly not RomneyCare...."

Oh my. How nuanced you are, RomneyBOT. YOU claim to be a conservative.

DO YOU SUPPORT Romney's attacks on Gov. Palin and her children?

Why dont you post these on your pseudo-conservative website. BET YOU WILL NOT.

"Smear the children, too. Throw the Election for me."

"Alex Castellanos, Romney media consultant "

"Alejandro "Alex" Castellanos (b. 1954, Havana, Cuba) is a U.S. Republican Party political media consultant who specializes in television advertising, and was a top media adviser to Bush Cheney '04 as well as Mitt Romney's presidential campaign.[1][2]."

"In late February 2007, the Boston Globe obtained a leaked copy of an internal Romney campaign document describing the campaign's plan to win the Republican nomination.[1] That document, produced by Castellanos, drew attention by implying the campaign's poor view of the sitting president.[2] Specifically, the document advised that that Romney should create distance between himself and President George W. Bush by focusing on the separating factor of "intelligence."[1]"

"The plan, which top Romney strategist Alex Castellanos helped to draft, charts a course for Romney to emerge as the nominee, but acknowledges that the "electorate is not where it needs to be for us to succeed."

The McCain/Palin ticket was up 8 pts. days prior to September 18th.
Obama was losing until the DNC played their October surprise on the economy
and the RomneyTeam attacked Gov. Palin and her children to throw Election2008.

David Frum: "Frum was indeed a critic of Palin, calling her nomination a "huge mistake" during an October 13 (2008) Early Show appearance."

David Frum: "Two of our most plausible candidates for president in 2012 are leading Mormons: Mitt Romney and Utah governor Jon Huntsman."

David Frum: "I have a lot of regard for Mitt Romney as a man and politician.
Let me say for the record: If Romney emerges as the Republican nominee, I will support him without qualm."

Late in October, The American Spectator's The Prowler revealed:
"Former Mitt Romney presidential campaign staffers, some of whom are currently working for Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin's bid for the White House,
have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters, seeking to diminish her standing after the election.
'Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won't be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,'
says one former Romney aide, now working for McCain-Palin.
'The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney.
He's in charge on November 5th.'"
The Prowler added: "Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a 'diva' and was going off message intentionally."
The Romney supporters in the McCain campaign had access to internal polling which indicated well in advance of the November 4 election that McCain had no chance to win.
So they began working to position their man Mitt for a run in 2012. Just two days after the election,The Palmetto Scoop reported:
"One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was the claim of a major internal strife between close McCain aides and the folks handling his running mate Sarah Palin."
"I’m told by very good sources that this was indeed the case and that a rift had developed, but it was between Palin’s people and the staffers brought on from the failed presidential campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney, not McCain aides."
"The sources said nearly 80 percent of Romney’s former staff was absorbed by McCain and these individuals were responsible for what amounts to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."
These aides loyal to Romney inside the McCain campaign, said The Scoop, reportedly saw that Palin would be a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 or 2016, which made her a threat to another presidential quest by Romney.
Erick Erickson, who organized Operation Leper, said:
"Here’s what I think: I think there are some staffers on the McCain campaign who seriously screwed up the roll out of Sarah Palin, to which Governor Palin herself objected.
These staffers are now out trying to finish her off thinking, as typical D.C. types do, that if they don’t do it to her, she’ll do it to them. They just never understood who Palin is or what she is about."
"Likewise, I do think there are some staffers and others who expect Mitt Romney to run again in 2012,
they decided McCain could not win, and decided to undermine Sarah Palin and her chances hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."

"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign? (Mark Wallace, Romney pimp)
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the “Diva” leak was Nicolle Wallace’s husband."

Who benefits most from Sanford meltdown? Californian (that's right) Mitt Romney

"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"

Again to my point, we don't know you from Adam thought you have posted here before.

You have stepped into the hornet's nest without us knowing of you are a hornet or an innocent and we are not going to scour FR to build a profile on you.

BTW I did look over many of you post and am not sure where you stand on Romney.

Enter the fray with your flag held high, not hidden away and you will be much better off...

Hit the road and take Charles with you.

There are millions upon millions of conservatives who don’t know about this site. Spreading the word about by contributing to other conservative communities can only help. Or so I thought... until today and the way I’ve been treated.

No, no. You're supposed to post the links as a comment. Get it?

What good would it do for him to include them?

I asked a question, without yet taking a stance.

Again, that is my point, you have posted on a topic that is very heated. You have done so as one we do not know and in such a way as to make many suspicious of your intent.

I think you have done so honestly, at least I hope so. You must realize what you did was not as simple as you hoped it would be.

Take it as a lesson learned.