Michael Jackson Fans Will Stop At Nothing To Falsely Clear His Name.

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[GovernmentShrinker]

I believe Chandler was the first public accuser. But the back story is plenty creepy. Divorced parents, mom had primary custody and told police she didn’t believe the allegations, dad was a dentist and aspiring screenwriter and more than $60,000 behind in his child support payments. Dad gave the boy sodium amytal during a dental procedure and supposedly asked him whether Jackson had molested him.

Trouble is, sodium amytal is also well known to produce suggestibility, so the father may have put the idea in the boy’s head, and may have done it on purpose. And frankly, any father who would use that sort of method in an honest effort to find out if his 13 year old son was being abused, is every bit as creepy as Michael Jackson. Sodium amytal is not used in legitimate abuse investigations, because it’s known not to be an effective way of getting accurate information. One of the most damning pieces of evidence against the Chandlers’ claims has gotten very little publicity: Jordan Chandler claimed that Jackson was circumcised, but when Jackson was forced to undergo a strip search to verify Jordan’s description of his genitals, it was found that Jackson was not circumcised. That’s a pretty big “mistake” for a 13 year old boy who’s claiming to have engaged in a variety of sexual acts with Jackson over a period of many months.

There’s plenty of evidence that Evan Chandler’s primary motive wasn’t justice. He was recorded saying in a phone conversation: “If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael’s career will be over.” When asked during the same conversation if he was concerned about how all this would affect his son, he replied: “That’s irrelevant to me...It will be a massacre if I don’t get what I want. It’s going to be bigger than all us put together...This man [Jackson] is going to be humiliated beyond belief...He will not sell one more record”.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-psychologist/200907/michael-jackson-truth-serum-and-false-memories

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson

[icwhatudo]

"Simpson has nothing to do with Michael Jackson."

He has everything to do with the idea that just because you win in court, it doesn't mean you didn't do it.

"Try to learn something about the subject you throw meaningless photos into."

Jackson used OJ as part of the reason he paid off the family. Please try and learn something about the subject before you throw meaningless "digs" at fellow freepers. The OJ case illustrates a good point that many agree with. I don't know why you are spending so much time and effort protecting this freak:

"I have slept in a bed with many children." Asked what he does with children in his bed he says: 'When you say bed, you are thinking sexual, they make that sexual. It's not sexual. We're going to sleep, I tuck them in and I put a little music on and when it's story time I read a book.' -jackson

[GovernmentShrinker]

Jacko, refused to settle until it was revealed that the boy could describe in detail unique markings and characteristics of Jacko's genitals.

Except that when police forced Jackson to submit to a strip search to verify Jordan's description, it turned out to be way off. He couldn't even get something as basic as circumcised vs. not-circumcised right.

[Deb]

Baloney. The kid was coached by his Dad and the lawyer who knew jackson had vitae lygo.

The people who want to believe the lies, embrace the destruction of an innocent man.

[Kimberly GG]

“If you’re innocent, you should take all court cases of that magnitude/importance to a verdict.”

It’s not always possible. In the Chandler case, SONY and the insurance company, as was their right to do so, FORCED MJ to settle against his wishes. He had NO choice in the matter and was devastated by it.

And, worth noting, the moment the Chandlers received $$$ from the insurance company (NOT MJ), the family took it and ran, choosing NOT to file any criminal charges against MJ, which they could have done.

[drpix]

The police did nothing of the sort, Jacko settled as soon as he learned that the kids shrink elicited the description from him. Jacko dared not test its accuracy - or he would have done so publicly in court WITHOUT settling for millions.

[jla]

Fathers don’t take money in exchange for molestation, if it’s real.

So, according to *Deb* when one of those stories pops up about a father prostituting his daughter or son for money or drugs just automatically assume it is not "real".

[Vaquero]

Fathers don’t take money in exchange for molestation

absolutely NOT

disgusting perverted fathers have poisoned their children to collect insurance...Good fathers don't.

[GovernmentShrinker]

Jackson was obviously mentally unbalanced when it came to children. But it’s not at all clear that he actually molested any of the them. What IS clear is that the parents of children who were allowed to sleep over at Neverland didn’t really give a crap whether their kids got molested or not — and since they were getting money and/or valuable gifts in connection with their children’s sleepovers, this boils down to pimping their children. The parents really should have been on trial. Some of them were probably calculating right from the start that allowing their children to sleep over with Jackson would lay the foundation for get money from him via extortion, by threatening to accuse him of molesting the children, even if they had no reason to believe he actually did.

[Deb]

I have no idea why you're so invested in the proven lies of the case, but your use of words like "criteria" make it appear you have some agenda here.

I suppose if he had little girls sleep over, that would have been more proper. And Jordan Chandler was no tot.Give it a rest.

Everyone in show business remembers when LaToya allowed her con-artist/husband/manager to run her wasteland of a "career" and he had her posing for Playboy, holding press conferences, writing books and denouncing her family. She said he kept her drugged and abused or she never would have done any of it.

Quite a list "proof" you've got.

[Deb]

Read the transcripts of the trial. Especially the cross-examination of the “Mother”. But since you seem happy to swallow huge piles of poop, I doubt you care about the facts of the case.

[Kimberly GG]

I’m with you...our first responsibility is to BELIEVE our children.

However, your entire statement is based on an assumption that negates the likelihood that, from the get go, the almighty dollar was so important to the parents (first Chandler and then Arvisio) that they were willing to involve their children in false allegations in order to try and get rich. Had SONY and the insurance company honored MJ’s wishes and refused to settle with the Chandlers, I doubt there would have been another case.

All we know is what we see in the media and read in legal documents. What we believe is by choice.

[drpix]

I'll agree with your condemnation of the parents - but in addition to (and not rather than) Jackson.

As far as him being a pedophile, no trail is necessary, when he has himself and others at the Netherland Ranch have established his long history of using a clear sexual criteria for which children he takes to bed - never girls, never boys below a certain age or above another age, and never his own children. Innocent love of children is never that selective.

[MrEdd]

I'll agree with your condemnation of the parents - but in addition to (and not rather than) Jackson.

I'll sign on to that.

[Kimberly GG]

Nothing could be further from the truth, but it IS the popular belief.

[Deb]

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about so I'll leave you to your delusion of lies. I'll only say that like me, members of the jury said they thought he was guilty till they heard the defense's case. It became clear that not one of the salacious claims in the press, from the "Jesus juice" to the "child porn" turned out to be true.

And the only comparison of Jackson's case to another "miscarriage of justice" is the McMartin day school case.

I now don't expect the people who love to wallow in the filth of the Jackson story to respond when they hear the truth. You're too invested.

[Deb]

I’m giving you the other side of the story that the jury heard. If you don’t care to learn about the facts that caused an all white, small town jury to pronounce him innocent on all charges, that’s your choice.

[drpix]

"Jordan Chandler was no tot"

Jordan Chandler was 13 - rite in the range of his preference.

"I suppose if he had little girls sleep over, that would have been more proper."

It wasn't any more proper with little boys, but if he mixed them up in terms of sex & age, and included his own children, it would have been easier to buy the innocent, milk and cookies bit.

"Give it a rest"

Alibis and rationalizations for the life Jacko led, posted on a conservative forum, are an invitation to a flaming.

[GovernmentShrinker]

Are you claiming the police never strip-searched Jackson? If so, you’d better do some fact-checking.

[Scoutmaster]

I know of only one other specific settlement.

In 1990, Jackson paid over $2.5 million in a settlement to a former maid at Neverland, based on charges the maid saw Jackson with his hands down her son’s pants, fondling him.

However, in an interview aired last week on television, prosecutors in California estimated that Jackson paid between $200-220 million in settlements and attorneys’ fees over the years related to settlement of sexual abuse charges. Settlement documents are likely to contain nondisclosure provisions that require return of monies paid if the youth and his family disclose the settlement.

Police have the names of many alleged victims — some reported by Neverland employees who have testified to witnessing abuse — but most of those alleged victims either refuse to testify (perhaps, just perhaps, because of the confidentiality provisions of a settlement) or deny it.

Not all of the alleged victims were from the U.S. Australians Wade Robson (who went on to become Britney Spears’ choreographer) and Brett Barnes had agreed to testify against Jackson in his last trial.

And by the way, Jackson was never found innocent. He was found not guily. There’s a huge difference between being innocent and being found not guilty, particularly in a criminal trial. Do the letters “O.J.” ring a bell?