Posted on 05/13/2009 6:31:56 PM PDT by DrGop0821
re: “Real sentences for real crimes...”
I’m all for that!
Don’t confuse acceptance with understanding. It’s more instructive to look at forums when they discuss prisons and punishment. The public as a whole has a deep and abiding hatred of criminals that is downright sadistic.
The criminal justice system is impressively liberal in how it treats those under arrest and convicts. The public, on the other hand, have little or no problem with physical abuse and execution of criminals for less than homicide offenses.
However, the public has been cowed to the idea that these ideas are not popular. If they ever discover that they are popular, criminals are in for some very hard times. The hangman would be busy, and I mean that literally.
Policemen around the world, from the time of the Centurions, have always used brutality against offenders. To imagine a system anywhere, where they don’t, is an illusion foisted on a believing public. Moreover, the public does not want to see the reality, as doing so is a worse offense than the act, from the public’s point of view. Brutality, however, reserved for the brutal lower classes. The middle class demand treatment, for them, according to their station.
It is very easy for those of us who do not do a police officer’s work to either imagine a world that is sweetness and light, in which an officer uses hat doffing gentility to subdue a brutal and inebriated offender. But practically speaking, as long as it is kept out of the public’s eye, most of us are content to let the police do what is necessary.
This is not acceptance of the unfortunate act, but it shows understanding of why it happens. Such is life. Spare us the moral outrage.
Show me where I asked for any additional oversight. All I said was that we should not allow them further latitude to kick complaint suspects.
My entire point was that these were MINOR incidents. No one was in danger, there was no emergency. Yet, the police came screaming and yelling trying to scare everyone in sight. For what end? Because they could get away with it.
Are you a mind reader? All the cop had to do was stand there with his gun and wait for back-up. Had the kid made any kind of move to get up and run, or move toward the cop, I'd have supported his getting shot.
Combination. Quicker compliance (Ohh my gawd that maniac has a gun) and some of them get their jollies off scaring people, showing us we're less than them.
In the case of the noise complaint, all they needed to accomplish was to tell a bunch of teenagers to knock off the drums (10:00, Friday night).
They got one look at a stupid pickle jar with grass from the yard and a branch from the tree out front and were SALIVATING at the thought of running in a bunch of dope-smoking, long-hair, rock 'n roll types. Does anyone keep their pot in a friggin pickle jar with holes in the lid?
They made utter fools of themselves in the eyes of an 8 year old girl, who had been totally into the "Police are our friends" slogan.
After the school incident, I had to tell my 13 year old son that the only thing he was allowed say in the presence of the school police officer was, "please call my parents".
They earn our suspicion.
11-13 seems an appropriate age for that life-lesson. It's unfortunate, but there is really not much that can be improved by bringing the law into a situation unless you need papers filed or a life or death situation you didn't plan appropriately for.
Violent and repeat violent crime, rape, child molestation.
There is point when a human being must be removed from society in such a thorough manner that that human will never again be a threat to any other human even his potential jailers.
I do not look at execution as a punishment.
Rather, I view it as an assurance that we have rid ourselves of the threat posed by one who values the lives of others with no regard. And in that view, I am at peace. For the perpetrator is only being given the exact same standards which he enacted upon his victims. Rationally, he cannot complain that we ought to hold his live to a higher standard than the he did for the life he took. To hold him to his own same standard is completely just. Essentially he is sentencing himself. And removing that violent perp from the planet to ensure the safety of others is equally just.
This is the perspective we have of animals that prey upon humans. We thoroughly and completely remove them from ever again being a threat. And that is just.
imo
By your own words you show that you are no friend to a conservative nation.
You are a supporter of petty tyrants and thugs.
And as such, are no better than that which you endorse.”
Where have I advocated a ‘head stomping’ for traffic infractions? Where have I advocated a head stomping at all? The fact of the matter is if someone is gonna endanger a cops, or the publics lives, and get a smack or a kick ONLY for it, they might think twice before doing it again.
As for you accusing me of being a supporter of tyrants and thugs....I am not the one siding with the ACTUAL PERP in this case and bashing the cop who catches said perp!! I am not the one advocating that we eliminate cops, as another FReeper suggested, arguing that it would eliminate crime! I am not the one comparing cops with Nazis as another FReeper did on a different thread!! I am a Red White and Blue Law Enforcement supporting Conservative Patriot that refuses to see perps as victims and will give the Police the benefit of the doubt. It is not me that supports ‘thugs’ posting on this site.
You cannot paint yourself as Mr. Red, White and Blue just because you unconditionally support the police in a knee jerk fasion.
You are equating supporting law enforcement with conservatism and patriotism. One thing has nothing to do with the others. What about the laws that are not conservative? What about laws that are unpatriotic? What about those that enforce those laws? Is supporting the enforcement of ANY law conservative by definition?
How much of a socialist, collectivist, liberal nation would we have to become before those in "law enforcement" are not partiotic, and supporting them is no longer conservative?
It is not a political issue at all.
“You are equating supporting law enforcement with conservatism and patriotism.”
How did you arrive at that conclusion?? If I say I’m an Italian-American Yankee fan am I implying that all Italian-Americans are Yankee fans? I happen to be a Conservative who ALSO supports the Police.
As for the ‘knee jerk’ fashion you mentioned. It is those who are critical of the cop in the video that have the knee jerk reaction. The video does not have audio and we do not know what the Officer may have been saying to that low-life Perp. I dunno, I have this radical position that maybe we should wait for ALL the facts to come out before we decide to bash that cop. And if youor anyone think that was Police brutality then you have no clue what you’re talking about.
“What about the laws that are not conservative? What about laws that are unpatriotic? What about those that enforce those laws? Is supporting the enforcement of ANY law conservative by definition?”
Can you give an example of a law that is not conservative? And if so, what is your solution to this unjust law?
Pick any gun control law. How about helmet and seat belt laws? I'm only thinking right now of those laws that the average cop would be likely to encounter on a daily basis. Fact is, most laws in America today are against freedom loving people.
But would those that enforse these laws be considered heroic by you?
Point is, is that when the law becomes anti-liberty, then the decent folk all leave the law enforcement business. Only the amoral, or worse, the jackboots remain.
“Do you really think the sorry ass that started this escapade cares about you, your family, the constitution?”
No. He could have gone through a red light and taken out a family of five in a minivan, among many other terrible possibilities. But by kicking the guy in the head, the officer blew the whole case. All a defense attorney has to do is show that video to a sympathetic jury....
I have many decent friends in Law Enforcement doing God’s work. While I disagree with you on the assumption that decent folk would leave LE jobs, I do agree that there are some stupid, inane federal and local laws on the books.
Like WOW, I KNOW there are messed up laws on the books. I wanted the FReeper to give some examples and see what his solutions to those unjust laws were...like WOW.
The solution is simple. Real time for real crimes. Hurt some one 10 years, damage property 1-5. No first offence, no Yout’.
I just eliminated 10,000 pages of bunk, I can’t even get a “it’ll never happen?”
Doing GODS WORK. Really I know they deal with scumdowgs on a daily basis, but to be doin the work of the lord they would have to be prosylytiZin.
Has anybody else noticed how so many good, thought provoking threads are being turned into pissing contests. Kind of like some animals eating their young.
It’s Obama’s fault!
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