Democrats Vote To Let Elderly Die In Name Of 'Stimulus'

Start Thinking Right ^ | February 10, 2009 | Michael Eden

[calex59]

Yes, it has to go back to the house, this has only passed the senate.

[calex59]

You didn’t read very well, then. It specifically mentions that the gov will decide who gets treatment based on age tables and life expectancy of certain diseases. This will not just ration health care to the elderly but to anyone who has a severe medical problem that the gov decides shouldn’t be treated. The bill doesn’t have to actually say rationing in order to achieve that goal.

[Michael Eden]

I noted that calex59 responded to you.

“Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).”

That’s page 464 of the pdf version link.

If you are looking for the keyword “rationing” you need to realize that liberals are great at creating language that masks their true intent.

[IrishCatholic]

Please tell me which version and what page rather than be snotty. What I read was the suggest Health Information Technology section as referred to.
There are different versions of the bill including the Senate version.
If you would like, copy and past that section here. Or, refer to the section number. That would be helpful. I was looking for the section to print it off. So if you know the section number, please let me know.

[Michael Eden]

rockinqsranch,

AARP to seniors is rather like the Anglican church to Christians. The former works toward a completely different agenda than the latter.

AARP is almost like a union for retired people who spent their whole damn lives in unions and couldn’t bear to leave.

[IrishCatholic]

Well, this is the problem. From Thomas it went to the GPO site (PDF)which has page 464 as Federal and private implementation of standards lines 1-24. It deals with the information technology standards.

Which is why I am confused as to the quote“Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).”

[Michael Eden]

IrishCatholic,

If you’re willing to rise up in outrage with the rest of us, I suggest we put all insults and all hard feelings aside and start networking politicians.

I provided the link/page in my response to you.

This is a catastrophe. My mom is going through cancer treatment right now, and she probably wouldn’t qualify for treatment under this damn plan. I’m willing to take the hand of anyone who will join with me and help oppose this.

[OneWingedShark]

Just as I predicted: once government has control of your health, they have control of your life, and therefore death as well.

Perhaps it wouldn’t be so bad, but we all know, that Congress is exempt from its own laws... as seen with our President, our Treasurer... etc.

[Michael Eden]

I see what you mean. The damn bill is a gigantic maze from which here is no escape.

Let’s keep looking for it. And let’s hope by the time we find it it’s been yanked out.

[IrishCatholic]

I'm fully outraged. I just want to be accurate about what I am outraged about.
The link/page you referred to isn't matching what is being quoted here. Now, either I am looking at the wrong version, the wrong section, the wrong page number, or the wrong PDF version, page 464 is about the implementation of records information technology and not about health care implementation.

My father is in congestive heart failure and I am home for only a few hours before going back to the hospital. Under the coming plan he wouldn't receive care because it isn't cost efficient to keep him alive. He isn't a benefit to the state.
But, facts are stubborn things. I want to have,from the primary source, the actual documentation. SO, either the PDF version numbers are off, or the four times I have been to the bill have not matched the quotes. The page is from a section standardizing all health care reporting- making it easier to nationalize health care. It isn't what is being talked about here.

[Michael Eden]

Your a smart feller. I went to the Bloomberg article I cited and it IS the same link (I was checking to see if I’d messed something up).

When I clicked on the Thomas file, there were several options that were available. I’ll have to check them individually.

But, yeah, when I went to page 464, I did not see the language either. I used the Adobe search engine and tried to search for a few terms, and to no avail.

But you and I are in the same boat, not wanting to see our parents dying for lack of care.

I’m neither Irish nor Catholic, but that didn’t stop me from saying a prayer for your dad’s heart.

[IrishCatholic]

Thanks for the kind thought.
I will say a prayer for your mom’s swift recovery. I am off to the hospital now. I will check in the late hours if anyone finds the language quoted.
Good luck.

[Michael Eden]

Irish Catholic,
I hope you found your father feeling and doing better.

I have heard this story now several times on several programs. Apparently, the “rationing” (or whatever euphemism they are using)actually comes out of the language of the computerization of records. In other words, a government authority will be appointed IN that section to do monitoring and verifying based on statistics (age, likelihood of recovery, cost of treatment, etc).