Pope Pius IX and the Confederacy

The Catholic Knight ^ | 2 Feb, 2009 | The Catholic Knight

[narses]

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[narses]

I don't think there was anything legit about the the secession,

LOL, the ordinances of secession were passed by the legislatures of the eleven states. They were legit.

not constitutionally,

Except that it was taught in the schools, including at West Point, as part and parcel of the Constitution. The reason Jeff Davis was never tried is the courts of that time would have acquitted him.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

This was the view of the Founding Fathers.

and not in the political dirty tricks resorted to when all else failed.

Like Lincoln ARRESTING the entire government of Maryland to keep the government from acting?

It proved its illegitimacy when it failed to sustain itself in the trial by fire.

How medievel, might makes right. Sad.

[narses]

LOL. And here I thought that the Pope was infallible

So much for thinking. Try research and get facts instead. Empty of facts, thinking is of little value.

[RobbyS]

Lord John Acton, one of the most liberal Catholics in Europe was sympathetic to the Confederacy, as was much of the aristocracy of England and Europe. The sympathy was not because of any sympathy for slavery but because Lincoln was trying to hold the country together by force of arms and often in violation of the law of nations. When in 1830, the Belgians seceded from the kingdom of the Netherlands, the matter was settled by international diplomatic negotiation. A treaty was signed with Prussia as one of the signators and England another, guaranting the borders of Belgium. Ironically, in 1914, the German invasion of Belgium was one reason why England went to war with Germany. One reason why Europe did not take more effectice action against the United States, by say recognizing the Confederacy, was that Bismarck, the German chancellor, was forcibly uniting the German states under Prussian rule by a plocy of “blood and Iron,” which is what Lincolns was doing in America. In the South, the Civil War was long called the War for Southern Independence, and whatever moral standing Lincoln acquired for ending slavery, he lost by his policy of agression. One has to see things not as we know them but in the light of the situation in the 1860s. Liberal opinion was divided, and ironically, so was “conservative.” Bismarck disliked Lincoln for his radical notions of democracy.

[baa39]

“Popes have usually considered the U.S. a kind of backwater.”

And this perception is not entirely gone even today. Perhaps not by a truly brilliant and insightful man like Benedict, but many in the old guard Curia.

[RobbyS]

The treatment of slaves varied from place to place. In the upper south, especially in Virginia, many slaves were in pretty goos shape, because their masters hired them out. Plus there were many free blacks. All and all their status was not much worse than it would be under segregation. Futher South, of course, things were not good, and to be sold South was something that Virginia slaves dreaded. It was no accident that the Confederacy was first formed by the southern tier or that States Rights was the motive that brought the upper South into the Confederacy. Probably if Lincoln had not decided to resupply Ft. Sumter instead of letting it go, Virginia might have stayed in the Union. But Davis made the real mistake by ordering the attack. Without that attack, Lincoln would not have had an army at his diposal, for it was the Northern response to that attack and to Virginia’s decision to secede
thereby endangering the capital, that brought a northern army into the field. And for all the deprecation of McClellen for his ultimate failure, it also brought him to the head of the Army of the Potomoc, which soon became a cohensive fighting force under his skillful command.

[TradicalRC]

If the Pope supported this evil, then he is just as guilty as the slave-owners.

Seeing as slavery existed for the vast majority of human history and was merely accepted as a fact of life, I greatly doubt that there is much guilt involved.

[Barnacle]

There are some conspiracy theorists who believe Opus Dei was involved with the Lincoln assassination.

Everyone in the know knows that John W. Booth was a Martian.

[tomsemiterrific]

Opus Dei being a part of Lincoln’s assassination would be difficult since it wasn’t founded until the 1930-40s by Jose Escriva in Spain. What other anti-Catholic nonsense is floating out there?