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Rationalism, Communism, Darwinism
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Posted on 01/24/2009 5:28:02 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode

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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS

By keeping *truth* in a state of flux and by refusing to recognize truth outside the framework that they have established, they immediately try to deprive their opponents of any ability that they have in telling the scientist/atheist/evolutionist that they are wrong.

If there is no right, there is no wrong.

If there is no truth, there are no lies and there is no error.

If there are no absolutes, than theories are much more easily tweaked and modified to be made more accurate instead of being discarded as wrong.

Except that if there’s no standard to which to compare something to, there’s no way to determine if something is more or less accurate.


61 posted on 01/25/2009 10:52:34 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Ethan Clive Osgoode; betty boop; YHAOS
Except that if there’s no standard to which to compare something to, there’s no way to determine if something is more or less accurate.

Interestingly, the root word for "rational" is "ratio:"

from Merrian-Webster

Etymology of rational: Middle English racional, from Anglo-French racionel, from Latin rationalis, from ration-, ratio

Definition of ratio: 1 a: the indicated quotient of two mathematical expressions b: the relationship in quantity, amount, or size between two or more things : proportion

Etymology of ratio: Latin, computation, reason

Etymology of reason: Middle English resoun, from Anglo-French raisun, from Latin ration-, ratio reason, computation, from reri to calculate, think; probably akin to Gothic rathjo account, explanation

In a ratio there must be an objective expression (or in this case, absolute) against which the subjective expression (or in this case, variable) is measured.

Under "methodological naturalism" - an objective expression can be no more than a reduction of "all that there is", i.e. the principle excludes any thing not governed by physical laws, physical causation and physical constants - which are ironically, not physical themselves.

Therefore, I find the principle of methodological naturalism to be irrational.

62 posted on 01/25/2009 11:17:55 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Touche’


63 posted on 01/25/2009 11:20:20 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Therefore, I find the principle of methodological naturalism to be irrational.

With one post you have just disproved everything in science and about science from Newton to the present.

And to think we were there, in this internet chat room, when history was made!

(Do you think they will televise the Nobel award ceremony live?)

64 posted on 01/25/2009 1:06:24 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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The ceremony will be a funeral service for Darwinism. And the “history” made will be how a rotten tree fell under the weight of its own rotten fruit.


65 posted on 01/25/2009 1:51:06 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
The ceremony will be a funeral service for Darwinism. And the “history” made will be how a rotten tree fell under the weight of its own rotten fruit.

The Imminent Demise of Evolution: The Longest Running Falsehood in Creationism

66 posted on 01/25/2009 2:25:38 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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I am not a “creationist” and have no connection with them so its my statement. And when it comes to falsehoods I just read about the chicken “teeth”! A high school kid would see through a falsehood like that!

Darwin's “tree” is going over.

67 posted on 01/25/2009 2:51:11 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
To do so is mistaken as much of what is called science is what the Apostle Paul called, “contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge” “. It is this that the Bible conflicts with not fact.

Paul was talking about the religious beliefs of the Gnostics, not the subject of science as it is understood today.

68 posted on 01/25/2009 4:12:53 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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A difference without distinction what with the way scientists exclude God from any consideration.

If they’re not outright atheists, they disallow any *interference* from Him. For all practical purposes the best a scientist can do as a scientist is claim that they do not know about Him.


69 posted on 01/25/2009 4:17:50 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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This is what passes for a biology writer at “The New Scientist:

“Evolution myths: The theory is wrong because the Bible is ‘inerrant’
18:00 16 April 2008 by Michael Le Page
This argument is undermined by the hundreds of errors and inaccuracies and contradictions found in Bible. It is anything but “inerrant”.
A few creationists are honest enough to admit that the evidence supporting the theory of evolution is irrelevant as far as they are concerned: as it contradicts the “Word of God”, it simply has to be wrong.
Some Christians regard the text of the Bible as literally true or, to use their term, as “inerrant”. If people reject evolution on this basis, it is only fair to ask whether this belief stands up.
Whichever translation of the Bible you look at it is not hard to find errors. The texts are full of internal contradictions as well as historical and scientific inaccuracies.
There are so many examples it is hard to know where to start. Take its cosmology: according to the Bible, the earth is flat and immovable, the moon emits its own light, the sky is solid and the stars can be shaken from the sky by earthquakes.
Its mathematics is also poor. How many sons do you count: “The sons of Shemaiah: Huttush, Igal, Bariah, Neriah, and Shaphat, six” (I Chronicles 3:22). Such errors are common. The value of pi is given as 3, even though many other cultures had already worked it out with greater precision.”

This is just first part of the article. It shows a deliberate obtuseness as well as deception, as in the quote of 1 Chron. 3:22.

70 posted on 01/25/2009 4:53:19 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Given that the advice of the Scriptures is intended for Christians of all times it would apply to anything under that term of “false knowledge” I’d think.

From chicken teeth to ring species, false (gnosis)knowledge finds a home in science too.


71 posted on 01/25/2009 5:33:16 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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From chicken teeth to ring species, false (gnosis)knowledge finds a home in science too.

Because there's really no way to keep false knowledge out of science, especially with the *it's the best we've got* mentality. That allows for the acceptance of a lot of false knowledge until *something better* comes along.

In light of the fact that science only deals with the physical subset of reality, it can never attain real knowledge. It'll always be stuck making the best assumptions it can with the incomplete data it collects.

72 posted on 01/25/2009 5:46:12 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: count-your-change
Given that the advice of the Scriptures is intended for Christians of all times
Titus 3:12 When I send Artemas or Tychicus to you, do your best to come to me at Nicopolis, for I have decided to spend the winter there
How's that working out for you?
73 posted on 01/25/2009 5:58:01 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: metmom

Then I would will very skeptical of any pronouncement called “scientific fact”.


74 posted on 01/25/2009 6:11:04 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Color me slow, I don’t understand... what?


75 posted on 01/25/2009 6:48:40 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Color me slow, I don’t understand... what?

OK, I got that.... I'm saying in the Bible generally, and the letters of Paul specifically, there may be some stuff that had a clear specific meaning to the actual recipient, at the time, but has no lasting subtext.

76 posted on 01/25/2009 7:02:09 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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Pastoral letters of no particular later significance? If that's your thought, why do you say so? I mean like what stuff?
77 posted on 01/25/2009 7:08:45 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Given that the advice of the Scriptures is intended for Christians of all times

Titus 3:12 When I send Artemas or Tychicus to you, do your best to come to me at Nicopolis, for I have decided to spend the winter there

How's that working out for you?

I'm sure if the Apostle Paul requested that c-y-c come to him, he would.

78 posted on 01/25/2009 7:36:57 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coyoteman

LOLOL!


79 posted on 01/25/2009 9:07:30 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom
Nicapolis was a busy port city and Paul would've had a opportunity to preach there to people from all over Greece.
It would've been a rare privilege to go to there.
80 posted on 01/25/2009 9:15:17 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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