How Much Longer Can They Sell Darwinism?

From Sea to Shining Sea ^ | 1/4/09 | Purple Mountains

[Coyoteman]

No data, no evidence--just invective and rhetoric?

I had hoped for better.

OK, I'll provide some evidence for you to respond to.

This is a transitional. Note its position in the chart which follows (hint--in the right center):

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Fossil: KNM-ER 3733

Site: Koobi Fora (Upper KBS tuff, area 104), Lake Turkana, Kenya (4, 1)

Discovered By: B. Ngeneo, 1975 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.75 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal, paleomagnetic & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Female (species presumed to be sexually dimorphic) (1, 8)

Cranial Capacity: 850 cc (1, 3, 4)

Information: Tools found in same layer (8, 9). Found with KNM-ER 406 A. boisei (effectively eliminating single species hypothesis) (1)

Interpretation: Adult (based on cranial sutures, molar eruption and dental wear) (1)

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=33

Source

[NicknamedBob]

Whatever you are drinking tonight, it must be powerful.

Do you think you might be able to send up enough oxygen to your brain to post any of that as a coherent thought?

A fossil that shows transition of species? Aren’t fossils by definition representative of distinct species?

Maybe you can teach me something.

[Gumlegs]

Why do you think any of those are frauds?

[CottShop]

Coyoteman is goign to present you with his ‘best piece of evidence’- The Ergaster- A ‘species’ classification that is REJECTED by most scientists- then he’ll turn around and call you a religious nutjob for not ‘beleiving in science’- Good luck with presentign him with any coutner evidnece showing why Ergaster isn’t valid- it’ll just go right in one ear and out hte other like it has in all the other htreads he tried to post the same nonsense in

[CottShop]

[[But if you are convinced that that nonsense is real and defensible, and accurately portrays the status of evolutionary research and theory, bring it on]]

We have- time and itme again- you simply run away from it

[CottShop]

[[The part I love is that the beginning of life doesn’t count anymore. That caldron of goo didn’t hold up so you just ignore the Gorilla in the corner.]]

Lol & The biologically impossible hurdles of molecular development are tripping htem up as well- but that won’t stop a devoted congregationalist fro masserting it ‘could have happened’ Despite the fact that it could NOT have happened. Impossibility doesn’t mean what it used to evidently, and the fossil field completely devoid of stepwise examples doesn’t seem t bother them either- after all, it ‘could have happened’ if ‘given enough time’

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[GladesGuru]

“On the other hand the evos are relegated to defedning the indefensable: the godless liberal NEA.”

As all who know my posts on the advanced level of socialism amongst the academented can verify, I take a back seat to no one when it comes to informed, data rich, critical analysis of educrats in general and the NEA in specific.

While there is a superficial correlation between educrats being largely evo, and even more likely NEA supporters, to say that being an evo leads to supporting NEA is like saying that because nearly all heroin addict have a milk history, milk is causally correlated with future heroin addiction.

[DevNet]

How old is the Earth?

[DevNet]

http://anthropology.si.edu/humanorigins/ha/erg.html
http://www.archaeologyinfo.com/homoergaster.htm

[fabian]

you’re welcome...

[NicknamedBob]

I find it interesting that DNA evidence, which is good enough to land an individual in the slammer for an extended period of time, or even free him if he is innocent, is an independent verification of the obvious inferences drawn from analysis of physical evidence.

For a brief introduction to how this works, see this article:

http://txtwriter.com/Backgrounders/Evolution/EVpage13.html

Now I’m sure you would be interested in this if it turned out to be supportive of your various contentions. Well, good news! It does!

DNA evidence has been shown to be distinctly different in animals, or creatures if you prefer, that have obvious morphological similarities, such as the marsupial wolf and canid species extant elsewhere.

Though similar in appearance at first glance, these species are drastically different as one analyzes them more closely.

So those early researchers who attributed similar origins to morphologically similar creatures had to revise their theories.

Their evolution of thought in this regard has proven to be even more serviceable than a stubborn clinging to traditional theory would have been.

Isn’t that wonderful?

[NicknamedBob]

"How old is the Earth?"

Um, as old as dirt?

[GladesGuru]

Regarding your post #72, I should like to suggest that perhaps we differ in how we conceptualize time. In my experience, the greatest problem people have with evolution is the yardstick, calibrated in units of 1,000,000 years.

For a creature some 70 years in length, and part of a planet with an annual cycle of birth and death, it is not evolution, but the yardstick which is teh problem.

May I suggest reading African Genesis, by Robert Ardrey, specifically the part in the chapter titled “Time Was” where he invites the reader to imagine being on a coastal cliff near Santa Barbara. Ardrey then walks the reader, one horizon at a time, down the history of life on earth, down south to the Antarctic shore.

I should add this book, footnoted, non-fiction was on the New York Time’s Best Seller list for many a month. Not bad for footnoted non-fiction. If nothing else, you will find his writing style used hard data in a delightful way.

While Ardrey’s book will give you increased predictive capability regarding human behavior, it likely will leave you agreeing with Will & Arial Durant that while man can live a moral & ethical life without religion, for nearly all men, religion actualizes that moral & ethical life with far more reliability than with any other belief system.

[DevNet]

A valid answer that isn’t.

[NicknamedBob]

Drat! I thought I was on the right track there.

[ReignOfError]

If man evolved fom apes, why are there still apes?

If God made Adam from clay, why is there still clay?

[CottShop]

Seen the links Dev- the fact still remains that most scientists REJECT that ergaster is a seperate classification- The ‘differences’ between them and other ‘close species’ is far too negligible to warrent them a seperate classification- I’m simply not interested in propoganda

as well, You do read your links don’t you?

“In short, H. ergaster does not show significant promise of lasting as a separate taxon due to several factors. It has not been shown to be significantly different from erectus to require the designation of a new hominid species, and it has not been shown to be closer to modern humans morphologically as has been claimed by some. At this time, ergaster basically means early H. erectus from Africa.”

Here, I’ll post it again so others can see for themselves how silly it is for Coyoteman to keep posting KNM-ER-3733 and claiming that it is a valid transitional species when scientists the world over REJECT Homo-Ergaster as a valid classification (Note- Every single one of hte OTHER ones in his neat little chart ALSO have been refuted as being transitional- but by golly, they make for a cool eyecandy piece eh?)

http://www.archaeologyinfo.com/homoergaster.htm

[NicknamedBob]

"How old is the Earth?"

My actual answer is that the Earth is almost as old as the Sun, but not quite as old as Venus or Mars.

However, parts of the Earth, its gold and silver, platinum and uranium, are much older than the Sun. This is because these high-atomic-number elements were forged in stellar furnaces that predate even the beginning of our solar system.

Some of these parts may be twice as old as the beginning of the solar system, dating back as much as ten billion years.

[CottShop]

[[While there is a superficial correlation between educrats being largely evo, and even more likely NEA supporters, to say that being an evo leads to supporting NEA is like saying that because nearly all heroin addict have a milk history, milk is causally correlated with future heroin addiction.]]

Pass the milk please