Posted on 12/14/2008 3:52:20 PM PST by jetxnet
She played fast and loose and fell for the foreign accent, different from anything she had heard outside of the movies. She did have an interest in other cultures as well. She celebrates the election of the young exciting JFK and ends up with a little oops. I would imagine she was easily persuaded by a notorious womanizer like Obama Sr and the U.S. is now stuck with the result of her celebration. She was 17 when she graduated and still 17 when she became pregnant.
“explain it me again Chief, Stanley Ann graduated in June 1960, moved to Hawaii; by November she’s pregnant, and in early August 1961 (4th) obama is born. I still find that difficult to believe. She’s nothing but a schoolgirl.”
In those days, 5 months wasn’t much time for an African to court a freshly graduated American girl.
And then we have the article in “The Honolulu Advertiser” noting that Madelyn and Stanley were living at apt 110 1427 Alexander St in 1963, but why would Madelyn and Stanley move into an apartment and have Ann move into the home they had lived in since they moved to Hawaii in 1960? Answer is that they wouldn’t, but they would rent an apartment for their daughter and grandson to live in when she came back to Hawaii. By spring 1963 classes Ann’s address listed is 2277 Kamehameha Ave., so she lived in the apartment until just before she registered for classes at UH. I didn’t have an exact date for when Ann and Jr went back to Hawaii until that article was published. Also did you see the post above where the photo of the Polk’s Seattle City Directory for 1961 is posted?
ping to 323. Could you check this?
Too weird. All of it.
Good work.
Thanks for the explanations, her parents must have been shattered when they found out...
And from the moment he was born, the lies started.
Considering that Ann and her father were often at loggerheads and her mother was the peacemaker I wouldn’t have wanted to have seen the explosion when she announced, “Mom, dad I have something to tell you.” Considering the remark Stanley Dunham made to a friend about having lived through “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner” I don’t think he ever got over it.(That remark was made in the 70’s to a co-worker at the Hancock Insurance Company)
DELGROSSO, JAMES (Age 43)
Associated names:
DUNHAM, JAMES T
CANTON, MA
SHARON, MA
MATTESON, IL
HONOLULU, HI
EWA BEACH, HI
CHICAGO, IL
Possible Relatives:
DUNHAM, PATRICIA A (Age 43)
DELGROSSO, MICHAEL
SCHIPPLECK, KELLY L (Age 40)
Possible Roommates / Associates:
DERRICO, JOSEPH A (Age 58)
ALLEN, GRANDISON GREER (Age 69)
EALEY, SHEILA YVETTE (Age 49)
We can now assume this account is inaccurate?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004334057_obama08m.html
Susan Blake, another high-school classmate, said that during a brief visit in 1961, Dunham was excited about her husband’s plans to return to Kenya.
“We all had June Cleaver as our role models, and she was blazing new trails for herself,” said Blake, a former Mercer Island city councilwoman.
The marriage was brief. By 1962, Dunham had returned to Seattle as a single mother, enrolling in the UW for spring quarter and living in an apartment on Capitol Hill. But friends said she got overwhelmed and returned to her family in Hawaii, and formally divorced Obama Sr. in 1964.
When the Mercer Island High School yearbooks began circulating in the spring of 1960, Stanley Ann ‘s senior year, classmates scribbled best wishes to friends and remembered slumber parties, one mother's exceptionally good chocolate cake and thoughts on some goofy boys.
Dunham wrote to Maxine Box: “Remember me when you are old and gray. Love & Luck, Stanley .” Seemingly out of the blue, her father had found a better opportunity — another furniture store, this one in Hawaii. “He just couldn't settle,” Box recalled.
“I remember she didn't want to go to Hawaii,” she added.
That was only the first surprise. Stanley Ann began classes at the University of Hawaii in 1960, and shortly after that, Box received a letter saying that her friend had fallen in love with a grad student. He was black, from Kenya and named Obama.
About that same time, another letter crossed the Pacific, this one heading to Africa. It was from Barack Obama Sr. to his mother, Sarah Hussein Onyango Obama. Though the letter didn't go into great detail, it said he had met a young woman named Ann (not Stanley ). There wasn't much on how they met or what the attraction was, but he announced their plans to wed.
The Dunhams weren't happy. Stanley Ann ‘s prospective father-in-law was furious. He wrote the Dunhams “this long, nasty letter saying that he didn't approve of the marriage,” Obama recounted his mother telling him in “Dreams.” “He didn't want the Obama blood sullied by a white woman.”
Parental objections didn't matter. For Stanley Ann , her new relationship with Barack Obama and weekend discussions seemed to be, in part, a logical extension of long coffeehouse sessions in Seattle and the teachings of Wichterman and Foubert. The forum now involved graduate students from the University of Hawaii. They spent weekends listening to jazz, drinking beer and debating politics and world affairs.
The self-assured and opinionated Obama spoke with a voice so deep that “he made James Earl Jones seem like a tenor,” said Neil Abercrombie, a Democratic congressman from Hawaii who was part of those regular gatherings.
While Obama was impatient and energized, Stanley Ann , whom Abercrombie described as “the original feminist,” was endlessly patient but quietly passionate in her arguments. She was the only woman in the group.
“I think she was attracted to his powerful personality,” Abercrombie said, “and he was attracted to her beauty and her calmness.”
Six months after they wed, another letter arrived in Kenya, announcing the birth of Barack Hussein Obama, born Aug. 4, 1961. Despite her husband's continued anger, Sarah Obama said in a recent interview, she “was so happy to have a grandchild in the U.S.”
When the same news hit Mercer Island, it dumbfounded Stanley ‘s classmates.
“I just couldn't imagine her life changing so quickly,” said Box, thinking about her independent-minded friend who had disdained marriage and motherhood.
Although he didn't say it at the time, Abercrombie privately feared that the relationship would be short-lived. Obama was one of the most ambitious, self-focused men he had ever met. After Obama was accepted to study at Harvard, Stanley Ann disappeared from the University of Hawaii student gatherings, but she did not accompany her husband to Harvard. Abercrombie said he rarely saw her after that.
“I know he loved Ann ,” Abercrombie said, but “I think he didn't want the impediment of being responsible for a family. He expected great things of himself and he was going off to achieve them.”
The marriage failed. Stanley Ann filed for divorce in 1964 and remarried two years later, when her son was 5. The senior Obama finished his work at Harvard and returned to Kenya, where he hoped to realize his big dreams of taking a place in the Kenyan government.
Years later, Abercrombie and another grad school friend looked up their old pal during a trip through Africa.
At that point, the senior Obama was a bitter man, according to the congressman, feeling that he had been denied due opportunities to influence the running of his country. “He was drinking too much; his frustration was apparent,” Abercrombie said.
To Abercrombie's surprise, Obama never asked about his ex-wife or his son.
Wonder how old she was in those nude Christmas photos. You suppose she was pregnant when they were taken?
The visit with Susan Blake may have been brief but Ann never returned to Hawaii until early 1963, shown by her name being listed in the 1961 Polk’s Seattle City Directory. People assumed she was in Seattle for that brief visit, returned to Hawaii and then returned to Seattle in 1962 to actually attend classes, but her listing in the directory shows she remained in Seattle.
Various high school classmates visited Ann and Jr during her time in Seattle as is documented in the excerpt which BP2 posted earlier.
Just barely as those photos were taken around Christmas 1960 and were probably meant as her Christmas present to Obama Sr. I believe they were taken at the small single story house which he was renting located at 625 11th Ave., and if we look at the floor we see it is wood which may be why it was torn down sometime after Sr left Hawaii in June 1962 and his 1971 visit. Termites love wood! They are probably the last pictures we see of Ann with short hair, by the time she returned to Hawaii her hair was long as shown in the fence picture.
Stanley Dunham was a wanderer and figured he would cash in selling furniture to new residents of the newest state of Hawaii. Madelyn quickly obtained her job as a mortgage administrator at Bankoh and the “official story” is that Stanley Armour figured Ann was too young to stay in WA and attend University. It must also be noted that stories have been told that Ann was also accepted at the University of Chicago, someone contacted that University and was told she had never applied there. I wonder if she got pregnant on purpose(as opposed to letting a celebration of JFK as President get carried away) as a way for her parents to send her back to WA away from any hint of scandal with them in new jobs in a new location?
Lots of surprises going on at the time ... Stanley Ann could have been rebelling.
Maggie, you’re exactly right.
One of the researchers on a different team I work with called Susan about 3 weeks ago. He made the conversation seem innocuous, almost like a puff-piece media interview, acting like a punch-drinking Obot. He spoke with her for more than an hour. He saved the “hard” questions for last, just like a reporter would.
BTW, her story THAT time was that Ann and baby Obama were just “passing through” Mercer Island in August 1961 to see Obama SR, who Susan said was just starting at Harvard in Massachusetts. But, as we know, Obama SR didn’t start Harvard for nearly another year later, in Fall 1962. It was sometime after that, the evidence shows, that Ann and baby Obama left Seattle for Ann to resume classes at U of HA.
When our “interviewer” started to raise doubt of her story, particularly about why Ann would have been traveling from Hawaii just three weeks after Obama Jr was born to see her husband at Harvard (who is CONFIRMED to still back at the Univ. of Hawaii taking classes), Blake got irate, said “you must be one of those people who thinks Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii!” and hung up.
She’s a schill for Obama and seems to be trying to soak in the glamor of his name recognition. ANYTHING that Susan Blake says on Obama and Ann Dunham is suspect.
Not sure if I grasp your meaning - if she had not gotten pregnant, what scandal would there be for her to get away from?
When you are 17 years old and actually have a chance to remain in one place for 5 years, make friends and make plans that get disrupted because your father can’t stay in one spot too long, you would definitely want to remain with your group of friends and to heck with whatever dad decides. Rebel is a good way to put it, especially going to a new state where whites are “low man” on the totem pole!
bump for weirdness I don’t quite understand
Sounds like a good tagline.
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