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Inconsistencies abound in FactCheck report on Obama "birth certificate"
Israeli Insider ^ | 8/24/08 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 08/24/2008 8:10:04 AM PDT by pissant

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To: pissant
Exactly, unfortunately Berg provided little if any overwhelming proof of where Obama was born,no witnesses, BC,or other that I have seen.
21 posted on 08/24/2008 8:42:13 AM PDT by rodguy911 (LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE)
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To: pissant

I have performed background checks on employee applicants. With what has been provided by the Obama campaign to this point, I would decline to hire him.


22 posted on 08/24/2008 8:45:56 AM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: rodguy911

Seems to me that you should have to provide proof of your natural citizenship. The powers that be shouldn’t have to prove that you are NOT a natural born citizen. In other words, when I get a driver’s license, I don’t say to the Trooper, “you need to prove that I’m not a citizen”!!!


23 posted on 08/24/2008 8:51:17 AM PDT by SoCalConservative
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To: pissant

Well, this raises a number of legitimate concerns. Why is Obama stonewalling on releasing his real records, and then delegating leftist stooges like DailyKos and FactCheck to push the legitimacy of these evidently forged and completely uncertified records?

He has been stonewalling for months.

Could it be that he was born in Kenya, adopted by his stepfather and renamed Barak Soetoro, with Indonesian citizenship, gave up his American citizenship as required by Indonesian law, and never bothered to reapply for it during the required period between ages 19 and 21?

In other words, first he was a Kenyan citizen, then he was an Indonesian citizen, and at no time in his life has he ever been a legitimate American citizen?

If this is not the real story, then release the full birth records. PROVE it. What hospital was he born in? Where’s the hospital from with the baby’s footprint on it? Where’s the original official birth certificate? Where is the current COLB? Is there, in fact, a COLB available that predates Barry’s recent vacation in Hawaii, or did he change it again this year?

Being president of the United States is a serious business. It’s not an entitlement, it’s something you have to earn. Among other things, you have to respect and swear to uphold the Constitution and not shift, dodge, and lie about the most basic facts, such as whether you are eligible to run in the first place.


24 posted on 08/24/2008 8:54:23 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SERKIT

No sign of Larry on Factcheck? They’ve likely been told not to cover him.


25 posted on 08/24/2008 8:54:49 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: TheNewPundit
This case will come down to one thing: In his brief, Mr. Berg claimed that Obama’s parents traveled to Kenya, and his mother gave birth to him there because she was refused transport on a flight back to the US due to the fact she was so close to giving birth.

Mr. Berg states there is evidence of a birth certificate for Obama in a Kenyan hospital.

Mr. Berg will need to produce that certificate and travel records to the court, or this suit will go nowhere.

26 posted on 08/24/2008 8:55:40 AM PDT by mojito
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To: pissant
No sign of Larry on Factcheck? They’ve likely been told not to cover him.

Indeed. Larry's not even a "smear" - just being ignored wholesale by the drive-by media and Barry's campaign, but then I'd be redundant.

27 posted on 08/24/2008 8:57:44 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: pissant

pinging me to read later


28 posted on 08/24/2008 9:00:28 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Earth First...we will drill the other planets later.)
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To: Cicero

Because this is America where you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. He doesn’t have to show evidence of his innocence until someone shows evidence of his guilt, which has not happened.

If every politician had to defend himself against every stupid accusation, it would become a full time job.


29 posted on 08/24/2008 9:03:00 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TheNewPundit

Producing a forgery is a crime. It has been demonstrated quite well to be a forgery. The only question is how we can force it into the broader public consciousness without the help of BHO’s minions, better known as the media.


30 posted on 08/24/2008 9:06:02 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

It has not been proven to be a forgery. That is a rumor that won’t die. The issue about a forgery is regarding a scanned image of the certificate. Factcheck held the actual certificate, not a scanned copy. It has the seal and the signature. If he were running around with a fake, the state of Hawaii would take issue.


31 posted on 08/24/2008 9:08:58 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TheNewPundit

Not rumours; hard analysis on the Kos/Obama posted image. Read and learn.

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/default.aspx


32 posted on 08/24/2008 9:11:30 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: TheNewPundit
Because this is America where you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. He doesn’t have to show evidence of his innocence until someone shows evidence of his guilt, which has not happened.

So how do you reconcile that with the constitutional requirement that a man must be an American citizen by birth to hold office of president?

Is it only a law if he gets caught?
33 posted on 08/24/2008 9:11:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: TheNewPundit; cripplecreek

BTW, why would a relative newbie on FR be so suddenly interested in stopping FR from doing what it has always done: Investigate the malfeasance that the MSM ignores?


34 posted on 08/24/2008 9:13:44 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Even when I was a skeptic I simply said so and moved on. I certainly didn’t try to stand in the way of those doing the digging.


35 posted on 08/24/2008 9:16:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: pissant

I’ve been following for a couple of days....Let’s see what Monday brings. I wish that someone will bring this out on prime time during convention.
JK


36 posted on 08/24/2008 9:22:03 AM PDT by nametrader
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To: pissant

Hehehe.


37 posted on 08/24/2008 9:22:08 AM PDT by fanfan (SCC:Canadians have constitutional protection to all opinions, as long as they are based on the facts)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, I don’t mind skepticism. It is most often well warranted. That is why I’m skeptical of new freepers that want everyone to ignore a particular issue that has the potential to not only pancake Obama’s chances for POTUS, but get him booted out of the Senate as well.


38 posted on 08/24/2008 9:27:05 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Kevmo

Ping


39 posted on 08/24/2008 9:29:56 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: keving
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I just examined the impressed seals on my own families birth certificates, which are from PA and NJ. None of them have the sharpness of the impression of latest FactCheck certificate. They are all much less sharp.

It seems to me that the sharpness of the impression is something that will degrade -- round off and flatten with time and under varying storage conditions. Yet that the extreme sharpness of the impression of the FactCheck cert - and of the folds as well -- indicate that the paper cert in the FactCheck images is of very recent origin.

It seems to me that a thorough forensic analysis would note or include such factors as the sharpness of impressed stamps and folds, and have some baseline metrics made from similar paper over time, under varying storage conditions.

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Another area what I imagine to to thorough forensic analysis is the relative ageing of the various inks and dyes used in any printing on paper.

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Yet another (totally my fevered swamp imagination here), imagined forensic analysis would do an array analysis on any repeating patterns (such as letter "e", "O", "H" etc) so as to determine the wicking of ink into the paper, and thus be able to determine to some measure the type of ink used.

From that it should be easy to determine if the Cert ID Number (or any of the fields) is printed by the same printer as the rest of the document.

40 posted on 08/24/2008 9:45:24 AM PDT by bvw
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