Inconsistencies abound in FactCheck report on Obama "birth certificate"

Israeli Insider ^ | 8/24/08 | Reuven Koret

[Admin Moderator]

Because this is America where you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. He doesn’t have to show evidence of his innocence until someone shows evidence of his guilt, which has not happened.

Obama is not being charged with a crime, so your point is pointless.

Instead, he is running for the highest office in the land. The Constitution is quite clear that he must be a native-born citizen. There are elaborate guidelines in each state to get on the ballot in those states. Why would needing to prove you are a native-born citizen be an issue, then?

Methinks you doth protesteth too much.

[TheNewPundit]

Forgery is a crime, as has been pointed out by so many in here. He has shown proof of citizenship, as I have pointed out so many times.
And I have also pointed out that I am protesting because good conservatives don’t use the same low brow tactics used by liberal smear campaigns. Good conservatives focus on the actual issues and don’t make accusations they can’t back up.

[TheNewPundit]

“Obama is not being charged with a crime, so your point is pointless.
Instead, he is running for the highest office in the land. The Constitution is quite clear that he must be a native-born citizen. There are elaborate guidelines in each state to get on the ballot in those states. Why would needing to prove you are a native-born citizen be an issue, then?
Methinks you doth protesteth too much.”

Forgery is a crime, as has been pointed out by so many in here. He has shown proof of citizenship, as I have pointed out so many times.
And I have also pointed out that I am protesting because good conservatives don’t use the same low brow tactics used by liberal smear campaigns. Good conservatives focus on the actual issues and don’t make accusations they can’t back up.

[usmcobra]

Check again The Annenberg Foundation did fund the Annenburg Challenge and funds Factcheck.org

About FactCheck.org

Our Mission

We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews, and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.

The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state, and federal levels.

The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.(my emphasis)

You'll find your crow on their about page, I suggests ever so politely that you eat it...

[TheNewPundit]

You need to read it again and tell me how that proves that they are covering for Obama. And then read the part about Obama not being involved with the organization that runs factcheck.

Annenburg Challenge = Obama
Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania DOES NOT = Obama

How is that crow?

[usmcobra]

It is pretty hard to prove forgery when he won’t release the original document to anyone that can validate it and only uses the internet and assorted JPGs to show it off....

[usmcobra]

Funded by the same source Get it?

Good! Obama was chosen to work with Bill Ayers on the Annenburg Challenge. Got it?

The same people that funded the Annenburg Challenge plucked Obama from obscurity paired him with Bill Ayers and still fund Factcheck.org are in fact using FactCheck.org to cover his past by trying to defuse an issue that would roundfile his qualifications in this election.

[Shamrock-DW]

What about....HE’S A MARXIST YOU IDIOT!!!!!!

[TheNewPundit]

“It is pretty hard to prove forgery when he won’t release the original document to anyone that can validate it and only uses the internet and assorted JPGs to show it off....”

Are you saying that it is hard to prove something to be true if you don’t already have the evidence?

[TheNewPundit]

“The same people that funded the Annenburg Challenge plucked Obama from obscurity paired him with Bill Ayers and still fund Factcheck.org are in fact using FactCheck.org to cover his past by trying to defuse an issue that would roundfile his qualifications in this election.”

Great theory, has just as much evidence as your other theory about Obama not being an American.

[TheNewPundit]

Just so you know, by that same token, Ronald Reagan is also connected to factcheck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Annenberg

Notice to picture on the right.

[Kevmo]

FactCheck.org does not always check their facts...
***Yup. Here’s another example, just with this document:

http://oldatlanticlighthouse.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/factcheck-obama-birth-certificate-alignment-problem/

Factcheck Obama Birth Certificate Alignment problem
August 23, 2008
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/factcheckorg-has-new-birth-certificate-story/

Snoopy said, on August 22nd, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Anyone notice the certificate number isn’t level with the security pattern. Looks like it was added later.

The old COLB certificate number was level to the pattern.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg

(when you follow above link, click the mouse to expand the image. On some images, you can right click and click view image and then expand the image. This is the case at the Obama webpage.)

The word certificate may be pre-printed. The certificate number is variable information like Honolulu below. Honolulu is level with the background. But the certificate number doesn’t appear to be. Certificate number is

151-1961-010641

In the 151, the 151 are close to the lower horizontal bar in the background. But by the end of the certificate number, the end 41 is far above the horizontal bar. The initial 1’s top seems to be slightly below the horizontal bar above the number. The final 1 seems to go into and overlap the horizontal bar above the number. Of course, we are looking at it at an angle. Someone may wish to reorient it for us.

The 0 6 in the last segment of the number also seem to be inside the horizontal bar above the number. The 5 in the 151 has its top appear to have a small gap between it and the horizontal bar above it. These gaps would seemingly be independent of original camera angle and the orientation that Factcheck has chosen to give us, but perhaps they do? Mabye COLB defenders may want to do experiments and show us its an angle issue? Right now it seems not.

If you look down the form, Honolulu stays level with the horizontal bars.

The Certificate Number was originally blacked out on the Obama webpage and Daily Kos. So if FactCheck or someone added this certificate number, they might have put it out of line.

The Patricia Decosta COLB

http://www.againstobama.com/2008/07/barack-obamas-forged-birth-certificate-the-smoking-gun-has-been-found/

or here

http://www.againstobama.com/wp-content/uploads/doc_decosta_pat_birth.jpg

The Decosta COLB does not appear to have a misalignment problem.

http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I4525&tree=0001

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO_birthcert.jpg

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/12/11012/6168/320/534616

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate_thumb.jpg

Perhaps if the COLB, certificate of live birth, was manufactured outside normal means, then someone made a mistake on the alignment. So the reason for the blackout may have been this alignment was wrong in the first place. The purported reasons were to protect security or confidentiality or privacy. But perhaps it was to cover up the misalignment all along.

According to Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs, the Factcheck photo images contain date indicators indicating a March 12, 2008 date for when they were taken. So at that point, Factcheck and the Obama campaign under David Axelrod may have decided to conceal the Certificate Number because it was out of alignment.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/08/annenberg-fact.html

DateTimeOriginal - 2008:03:12 22:40:18
DateTimeDigitized - 2008:03:12 22:40:18

This is draft and preliminary and subject to revision. Comments and corrections welcome. This is hypotheses or speculation. All other disclaimers apply.

[razorback-bert]

Just as all John Kerry had to do put his war record straight was released them, but all he did was let a tame journalist see parts.

Dan Rather had documents, so he said, and they were just photocopys too.

History is full of fake documents.

We know Obama lies, so why should we trust any unvetted document he produces?

All Obama has to do is release the document unconditionally.

[bvw]

http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20089295&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=33380&rfi=6

Born in the U.S.A.?
By: KEITH PHUCAS, Times Herald Staff
08/25/2008

... Sean Smith, Obama’s Pennsylvania communications director, was contacted Friday about the suit but declined comment.

The civil suit filed by Berg will be reviewed by the U.S. Federal Election Commission, according to Patty Hartman, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.

[usmcobra]

Do you believe Reagan used the internet to fight slurs against him?

Isn’t that what you are suggesting?

I have always found that most groups that claim to be nonpartisan aren’t, simply because they gather the best and brightest skulls filled with mush churned out by our liberal colleges and universities.

Real conservatives don’t waste their time involved in such pursuits of justice since they know the game is already rigged.

Exposing this fraud and stopping this scam before the election is our best chance to prevent the inevitable riots and looting from happening when Obama loses and he will lose.

Your willingness to allow it to continue shows me at least that you would rather have the worst happen then do anything about it.

It certainly shows in you a willingness to avoid exposing the man’s lack of integrity and honesty.

[TheNewPundit]

He released it, you chose not to believe those who inspected it.

[TheNewPundit]

“Do you believe Reagan used the internet to fight slurs against him?
Isn’t that what you are suggesting?”

No, I’m suggesting that the links you seek aren’t always there.

“I have always found that most groups that claim to be nonpartisan aren’t, simply because they gather the best and brightest skulls filled with mush churned out by our liberal colleges and universities.”

And I have been reading factcheck for four years now, and they are very good at keeping things straight. I have seen a mistake or two, but they do a better job than most.

“Your willingness to allow it to continue shows me at least that you would rather have the worst happen then do anything about it. It certainly shows in you a willingness to avoid exposing the man’s lack of integrity and honesty.”

Very ignorant statements. I have exposed his lack of integrity. My most recent thread before I posted the factcheck thread was regarding his flip-flops on abortion. Your willingness to ignore this and other facts shows a lack of integrity and honesty. How can you expose one man’s lack if you lack the same?

[HighlyOpinionated]

There is a way to open the Sealed Documents, but it doesn't really matter if Barry O' was born in Hawaii or not. Other forums state that Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship and that IF Barry O' was adopted by Lolo Soetoro (and there's good secondary evidence this is true), then Barry O' no longer can claim US Citizenship. The ONLY way would have been for his Grandparents to adopt him, thereby sealing the Adoption in Indonesia. And Lolo would have had to agree to the adoption process, since by adoption, he was LEGAL although not Natural Father.

[bvw]

Very ignorant statements. I have exposed his lack of integrity. My most recent thread before I posted the factcheck thread was regarding his flip-flops on abortion. Your willingness to ignore this and other facts shows a lack of integrity and honesty. How can you expose one man’s lack if you lack the same?

And to think that one day, some many years ago you were someone's bundle of joy.

[bvw]

Since Obama was a minor at the time Lolo’s adoption would have occurred, I do not think his US citizenship (if that was valid from his birth, which itself is a separate question) would be impaired by that adoption, since Obama returned to the US before he was an adult. If, however, Obama took an action such as traveling under Indonesian passport while an adult, he thereby confirmed his Indonesian citizenship and could indeed have forfeited any claim to a US citizenship.