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Are They Mad!? Have today's conservatives lost touch on foreign policy?
The Texian Online ^ | 8/11/08 | Tony McDonald

Posted on 08/11/2008 9:57:31 PM PDT by tony.mcdonald

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To: tony.mcdonald
Territorially it would be similar to the move by the Russians to support the reunion of North and South Ossetia.

Hey Tony, I think I found a picture of you.

Letting powerful thuggish dictators reunite things, whether they be Ossetia or the Sudetenland, tends not to work out so well.

41 posted on 08/11/2008 11:20:07 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: MimirsWell

well done.


42 posted on 08/11/2008 11:29:35 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: holdonnow

ahem.


43 posted on 08/11/2008 11:30:13 PM PDT by bad company (How much easier is self-sacrifice than self-realization)
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To: oldbill

Are you ready to re-institute the draft? Are you willing to double the defense budget?


Yes and Yes. It needs to be done or the US is finished as the dominant world power. We will end up like France or Great Britain. We’ll be one power among many, probably weaker than Russia, China and Germany. And that won’t be good.


44 posted on 08/11/2008 11:31:19 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: tony.mcdonald

The premise seems to be that it’s not worth going to war with Russia to protect Georgia.

By that logic, it’s not worth going to war with China to protect Taiwan. It’s not worth going to war with Iran to protect Israel. It’s not worth going to war with North Korea to protect South Korea. Or the same logic would say it’s not worth going to war against Nazi Germany to protect Great Britain.


45 posted on 08/11/2008 11:31:52 PM PDT by TennesseeProfessor
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To: tony.mcdonald
How – exactly – does the situation in Georgia affect American security interests?

That's as far as I need to read to know the author is no conservative. Not a serious conservative anyway.

46 posted on 08/11/2008 11:58:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 ... Olympics for murdering regimes. ... Beijing '08)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

heh, you have to wonder what made it worth it for the author to write the article!?! If he gets paid for it he’ll just blow the money on bills. /s


47 posted on 08/12/2008 12:01:01 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 ... Olympics for murdering regimes. ... Beijing '08)
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To: tony.mcdonald
These are the scenarios we must consider before we stumble off into this conflict. Is the territorial integrity of Georgia really worth a US war with Russia?

Gee, you sound just like Neville Chamberlain.

Chamberlain about Czechoslovakia, "a quarrel in a a far away land between people of whom we know nothing."

Ukraine is next.

48 posted on 08/12/2008 12:40:54 AM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."--Ayn Rand)
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To: tony.mcdonald
How – exactly – does the situation in Georgia affect American security interests? To that end, how does it affect American interests?

Controlling Georgia means that the Russians will have eliminated the only route to move oil and natural gas west from the Caspian Sea and Asian oil fields that doesn't go through Russia or Iran.

49 posted on 08/12/2008 1:09:16 AM PDT by bad company (How much easier is self-sacrifice than self-realization)
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To: bad company

Tell it to the Germans and French — thats a European problem. Not a US problem.


50 posted on 08/12/2008 4:37:23 AM PDT by tony.mcdonald
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To: tony.mcdonald

The Georgians are our ally in the Mid East, providing troops to the Coalition. They came to our side when we needed them.

Do we abandon them now in the name of Big Power Political Realities and Spheres of Influence?

If that’s the criteria, the US has no business with any troops or allies anywhere in the world ourside of the N. American continent.


51 posted on 08/12/2008 8:21:08 AM PDT by wildbill
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Tell it to the Germans and French — thats a European problem. Not a US problem.

Natural resources are a global market. If you can control a chokepoint you can manipulate the market. Everyones market.

52 posted on 08/12/2008 11:32:40 AM PDT by bad company (How much easier is self-sacrifice than self-realization)
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To: 1rudeboy; Democrat_media

"...how many of our neighbors in the Western Hemisphere have we invaded and occupied?"                 "... Panama..."

Back in the '70's there were 16 major military bases and a canal here; now all that's left here is an embassy --even the consulate offices got shut down.  Maybe Dem's thinking about the hundreds of thousands of Panamanian nationals living in Los Angeles, now that's what I'd call an occupation force!

What really ticks me off here is how Georgia sent soldiers to fight in Iraq on our side but we won't send our soldiers to join them when they need help.  What GW is doing to Georgia reminds me of what GH did with calling up the resistance in Iraq at the end of the first gulf war.   No wonder other people don't like being on our side...

53 posted on 08/12/2008 6:52:01 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

You do know that Russia has several thousand Nuclear Intercontinental Ballistic Missles targeted at U.S. cities don’t you?

You want the U.S. to get wiped off the map because of Georgia ?


54 posted on 08/15/2008 8:07:17 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Socialism will destroy a country economically. why dems & Mccain for Socialism?)
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To: Democrat_media
You want the U.S. to get wiped off the map...

Hey Neville, you pacifists cause more wars than the 'war-mongers' do.  Anyone who truly wants peace is willing to do what works.

55 posted on 08/18/2008 4:18:37 AM PDT by expat_panama
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I don’t care about peace or war. I have nothing against war in fact I love war.

I just think it’s dumb to go to war for Georgia when Russia has nuclear ICBMS targeted on U.S. cities. That is not war that is the United states getting wiped off the map by nuclear missles. Is that what you want? That’s what will happen and there is nothing that can stop those nuclear Russian missles from burning and evaporating and killing all of the U.S. civilian population. The lucky ones are the ones that will die in a nuclear war. get real.


56 posted on 08/20/2008 2:23:05 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Socialism will destroy a country economically. why dems & Mccain for Socialism?)
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To: tony.mcdonald

Arm chair grunts certainly have a point on this. But the reality is the US has few allies...NATO is a total joke and countries like Germany will stab us in the back...the UK is not what it use to be and so on. What is certain is that the Russian bear needs to be slapped...and slapped hard.

The people in Georgia will be wiped off the earth should this get started. Tough choices will be needed...and soon.


57 posted on 08/20/2008 2:30:23 PM PDT by rrrod
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