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McCain cuts deal with delegates to hand WV victory to Huckabee
SmallGovTimes.com ^ | February 5th, 2008 | SGT News, SmallGovTimes.com

Posted on 02/05/2008 12:58:25 PM PST by sdnet

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To: Petronski

Again, what you are calling a whine is EXACTLY the “political response” that anyone would expect to be used to put the proper spin on a loss.

Romeny runs ads that Huck is bothered by? Just politics.

Huck benefits from a backroom deal? also “just politics”

Romney tries to spin that action into a smear against his two opponents? AGAIN: “Just politics”


541 posted on 02/06/2008 12:17:34 AM PST by WillRain ("Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.")
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To: I_like_good_things_too

There’s a sizable portion of evangelicals who dispise Huckabee.


542 posted on 02/06/2008 12:19:26 AM PST by WillRain ("Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.")
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To: EverOnward

Indeed. Thank you, voters of Virginia.


543 posted on 02/06/2008 12:20:17 AM PST by WillRain ("Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.")
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To: WillRain

Once again, you’re whining about stuff that would be a bragging point for the Romney Sleaze Machine if they did it first.


544 posted on 02/06/2008 12:26:06 AM PST by Petronski (Solzhenitsyn was a dissident....how bad can it be? (**gulp**))
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To: WillRain
Not at all doubting your post but I would be very happy if you could link me something explaining how the Clintons manipulated the GOP into nominating Dole?

It probably isn't online since it occurred just before heavyweight online archiving became the rule, but you can find it in the stacks, and the smoking-gun articles (you have to connect the dots) may be found in Newsweek's and TIME's online archives.

Start with the after-election "explication"/"how he did it" stories run by TIME and Newsweek the week after the 1996 election. There was a lot, just a ton, of strategic info in there that, had the Republicans had it four or five months earlier when the journo's got it, might have made them think twice about carrying through with nominating Dole, and the info might have made Dole rethink his plans to resign his senatorial seat in April or May, I think it was, to run for /accept the nomination. The info was held for weeks or months, I think it's safe to say (you may infer differently, it might have come from election-night crowing by Clintonistas like Dick Morris), and it shows quite plainly that

Dole never had a chance. Not one. Not for one, eensy-teensy minute.

To the question of how could the Republicans do this, one needs to repair to the aforementioned Newsweek byline column, which always has run at the front of each issue, by Jonathan Alter. His essay about nominating Dole and the Republicans' regaining their dignity and gravitas (after having insulted the nation's intelligence by advancing Newt Gingrich's "Contract with America" and listening to non-serious non-persons like Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham) appeared iirc in August, 1995. There were four issues of Newsweek per month (all right, 4.3), so his piece appears in one of those issues. Read Alter's pitch, keeping firmly in mind the knowledge of Dole's loss for the reasons stated in the post-election stories and the fact that Alter must have known about these Dole liabilities, and then speculate whether Alter knew about the Clinton re-election campaign's confidential "C-market" test-marketing, keeping in mind again that the major media had been cooperating in a huge "scorched-earth" press campaign to discredit leading Republican personalities from the minute the 1994 election-night returns had come in, beginning with the infamous "Man of the Year" cover Newt got, with the odious "green-and-red Jello" hate-fetish cover photo of Newt.

If you have any doubts about the coordination, scope, inclusivity, and intensity of the press's campaign of destruction, go into Media Research Center's archives (mrc.com) and have a look through Brent Bozell's 1995 archive at his articles describing how he anticipated the campaign and tried to talk sense to major Republican conservatives about how bad it was going to be, and their tendency "not to get it" until they actually saw it in action, after which he describes their reaction as having been somewhat stunned by the fierceness and hatefulness of the "average journalists'" trashing of what the GOP leadership in Congress was trying to do. Another Jonathan Alter column from about this time -- I think it ran in 1994 or 1995, and I have gone back and looked for it in library microfiche and microfilm files w/o success (please let me know if you locate it, I'd appreciate a pointer) -- described the press campaigns underway during the first two years of the Clinton Administration. This column is a Rosetta Stone to understanding your daily news coverage -- this column and the Columbia School of Journalism annual survey data showing levels of political motivation among their entering freshman journo students (it went up all through the '50's and '60's as young liberals crowded into the profession in order to help ramrod "change the system" personal => group agenda). Together the data and the Alter menu of political initiatives (from gay rights and environmentalism to gender feminism and socialist goals like sovietizing medicine) show in gross and in perspective the sweep of the liberal attempt to destroy the Jacksonian American meme, which was originally the Jeffersonian and "antifederalist" (liberty interest) meme, and replace it with a frankly hostile, Fabian, "Eurosocialist" one.

545 posted on 02/06/2008 2:57:21 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Petronski
Actually, they all suck.

And now we're all screwed......

Who says Republicanism is sexually repressed?

No wonder Ken Mehlman was C/RNC.

546 posted on 02/06/2008 3:09:18 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: RachelFaith
I want us to nominate a REAL Reagan Conservative AT a Brokered Convention.

What a thought.....Republican delegates stampeding at a convention......it's our last chance now, I agree.

Who could do such a thing? Not Colin Powell, he won't do it and he's another Bush I holdover with baggage.

Condi is too green, no Big Chair executive experience (she needs to follow Ahnuld in the Governator's chair first).

Newt is hoping for just such a scenario, waiting around in the wings, but the guy's got more leftover baggage than Heidi Fleiss. Women on seven continents hate him.

Fred Thompson has played out his hand, but he would be the best "compromise". Trouble is, the other candidates wouldn't capitulate their delegates to Fred, the delegates would have to slip their traces and just bolt.

I don't see anyone else hiding in the trees, do you?

547 posted on 02/06/2008 3:17:38 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: xsmommy
i do not care about the Romney campaign. i am talking about those of us, who have been at your side up until now in this ordeal, who have cast our lot in with Romney thinking that he is the only hope to save us from McCain. just think about us when you do your gloating, ok? realize that, by and large, freepers are heartsick over the way this is working, so the crowing over pettiness wears thin. of course you don’t have to, i just thought i’d say something based on our past association, that’s all.

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So far, this has been the most brutal campaign I can recall, and it's still not over. I expect that the ugliness will only increase, I'm sorry to say.

We shall see what happens in November. With the turmoil we have on the Republican side, I suspect it will be the Democrats who are gloating then. For that, we can only blame ourselves.

548 posted on 02/06/2008 5:58:29 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Mark Sanford, SC.


549 posted on 02/06/2008 12:41:00 PM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Not that I think for one second that McVain will relinquish his nomination for anything, even if the whole party goes down in flames but....just to play along with the mythology of an party uprising, I think you’d have to default to a party veteran that everyone likes and has creds on all this issues and has minimal baggage.

I think the most obvious person who fits that definition is Jack Kemp. We could only pray he’d make a better candidate than he did on the Dole ticket.


550 posted on 02/06/2008 1:27:24 PM PST by WillRain ("Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.")
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To: penelopesire
Thank you kindly, FReeper.
551 posted on 02/09/2008 5:41:28 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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