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Ron Paul's Fair Weather Friends
BC Magazine ^ | 11/29/07 | Dave Nalle

Posted on 11/30/2007 4:33:59 AM PST by davenalle

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To: SJackson
Outstanding, an agreement from one of Paul's most rabid supporters that Paul has no leadership ability.

I didn't say he doesn't have it, I said he wouldn't need it. He'd have unified support from the people, who'll in turn be a check on Congress. So he doesn't need to be a Reagan or a Roosevelt, but he'll surely be more commanding than the Bush-Clinton axis we've enjoyed for 20 years now.

I'll ignore the mandate till it develops, but the contension that a President of the United States doesn't need leadership ability is absurd.

The position of the Presidency itself gives Paul leadership. What do you think being President is?

Paul has no Congressional support, as evidenced by his complete inability to accomplish anything legislatively in his career.

Well, when you're a member of a political party that opposes the very beliefs they supposedly support, opposing legislation that advances the party's ideals but have no problem embracing and voting with the opposition, not getting your legislation passed is bound to happen.

That's additional evidence of his lack of leadership skills. And their importance, because while Paul vegitates, people with names like Kennedy, McCain and Feingold have accomplished all sorts of things.

That's because Paul doesn't "compromise" for the sake of "bipartisanship" like the other spinless, feckless Republicans do.

61 posted on 11/30/2007 9:29:06 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SJackson
Actually he said what he meant, that he'd do the one thing he can do as President, pull the troops out immediately. That's what his campaign is about.

Of course it is, because wars cost money.

62 posted on 11/30/2007 9:31:23 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; SJackson
The position of the Presidency itself gives Paul leadership. What do you think being President is?

Actually, leadership is an attribute. The Presidency gives the holder a title and authority, but it doesn't create a leader.

63 posted on 11/30/2007 9:36:18 AM PST by mnehring (..one candidate did not display any moderateness or liberalism...Fred Thompson - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: mnehrling
About 1/3rd of the people there were Ron Paul supporters Does that mean that 2/3 were leftist infiltrators? Dave
64 posted on 11/30/2007 11:33:44 AM PST by davenalle
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To: mnehrling
Actually, leadership is an attribute. The Presidency gives the holder a title and authority, but it doesn't create a leader.

Amazing, a candidate whose supporters view a lack of leadership skills as a plus.

65 posted on 11/30/2007 11:36:17 AM PST by SJackson (I really wish the Jews in Judea an independent nation, John Adams)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I didn't say he doesn't have it, I said he wouldn't need it. He'd have unified support from the people, who'll in turn be a check on Congress. So he doesn't need to be a Reagan or a Roosevelt, but he'll surely be more commanding than the Bush-Clinton axis we've enjoyed for 20 years now. … The position of the Presidency itself gives Paul leadership. What do you think being President is?

Good thing he doesn’t need leadership skills. Cause he doesn’t have them. Being President is something Ron Paul won’t.

Bye

66 posted on 11/30/2007 11:40:17 AM PST by SJackson (I really wish the Jews in Judea an independent nation, John Adams)
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To: SJackson
As to the utter contempt for the GOP, it's a position of pure arrogance when held by those who take the position it, like the nation, has been "hijacked", an act of force. Time for those "Republicans" to leave.

Can I take that as a promise that you won't bitch and moan if Rudy is the nominee and freepers go 3rd-party?

67 posted on 11/30/2007 11:50:15 AM PST by jmc813 (#1 in the hood, G)
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To: SJackson
Amazing, a candidate whose supporters view a lack of leadership skills as a plus.

I'm an adult. I don't need a freaking politician to "lead" me. This "leadership" business seems to be the mantra of the Rudy people, since he pretty much sucks on all of the issues.

68 posted on 11/30/2007 11:58:16 AM PST by jmc813 (#1 in the hood, G)
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To: jmc813
Can I take that as a promise that you won't bitch and moan if Rudy is the nominee and freepers go 3rd-party?

I don't think that's likely, but if Rudy is nominated the anti-war contingent will need somewhere to go, there are several parties in waiting, the Constitution Party offers an immediate withdrawl, and the LP would work too.

If you're implying a third party Paul run, perhaps with Kucinich, I think that's a probability, and I'm sure his supporters will back him. In general that's a GOP plus, more one issue hate the war hate Bush voters on the left, but will I criticize the 3rd party effort, you bet I will.

69 posted on 11/30/2007 12:01:14 PM PST by SJackson (I really wish the Jews in Judea an independent nation, John Adams)
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To: jmc813
I'm an adult. I don't need a freaking politician to "lead" me. This "leadership" business seems to be the mantra of the Rudy people, since he pretty much sucks on all of the issues.

Awesome, another voter who thinks leadership skills are irrelevant to an executive position. Congress will take care of leadership domestically, the State Dept overseas. In that context I suppose a candidate with fewer demonstrated leadership skills that Jimmy Carter, he managed to get elected but not much else, would be attractive.

As to Rudy, leadership like the war, the GOP has a talented pool to draw from, excluding Rudy and Paul. Every one superior on those issues. Crime too. I've addressed those topics in detail on several threads back when there were Rudy supporters here to persuade. Go back, read them, then come back and disagree.

70 posted on 11/30/2007 12:06:49 PM PST by SJackson (I really wish the Jews in Judea an independent nation, John Adams)
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To: SJackson
If you're implying a third party Paul run, perhaps with Kucinich

I'm implying any third-party run. Or simply sitting things out this time around. Because that's where the majority of freepers are going to be at. This ain't wideawakes.

71 posted on 11/30/2007 12:07:48 PM PST by jmc813 (#1 in the hood, G)
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To: SJackson
As to Rudy, leadership like the war, the GOP has a talented pool to draw from, excluding Rudy and Paul.

I actually think that his views on the war are about the only good thing about Rudy. Excuse me while I go wash up. I feel dirty defending him.

72 posted on 11/30/2007 12:09:11 PM PST by jmc813 (#1 in the hood, G)
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