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Ron Paul's Fair Weather Friends
BC Magazine ^ | 11/29/07 | Dave Nalle

Posted on 11/30/2007 4:33:59 AM PST by davenalle

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To: SJackson
united by contempt for the GOP, each with their own peculiar individual hatreds. All of which must be overlooked, of course.

Don't overlook it at all. I have complete, utter, absolute, (fill in the blank) contempt for a party that used to advocate limited small government and personal responsibility for the citizens of the respective states. It's been hijacked by interventionist busybodies who believe they know better for the world and everyone in it then we ourselves do. And by God they're going to tell us how to live, by force or over taxation.

What you are overlooking, purposefully of course, is that what many of these 'leftists' hate Junior for (i.e. not enough money for government programs) or any other group is that they're not going to get anything. Whether they realize it or think there would be enough support in Congress to override President Paul I don't know. But they won't get squat.

I OTOH am quite aware what I would get from a Paul administration. Absolutely nothing. And perhaps a little disturbing joy to watch the whining as program after program disappears and the citizens of the respective states realize the feeding trough is closed. For good. Not a single program forwarded, not a promise to help this group or that group, nothing. The only thing I would see is an eventual increase in my paycheck as taxes fall to a minimum since they would not be supporting this behemoth called the US government

41 posted on 11/30/2007 8:25:26 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: traviskicks
This "article" doesn't merit a response.

FReepers have completely adopted left-wing tactics by responding to garbage as fact.

42 posted on 11/30/2007 8:28:40 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: cripplecreek
I think Paul’s support is beginning to fall off

I think you're smoking crack. Paul just crossed $10 million dollars in fundraising for the 4Q today.

43 posted on 11/30/2007 8:30:15 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: All

“Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!”- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007


44 posted on 11/30/2007 8:32:39 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: billbears
What you'd get is nothing as Paul acknowledges. Congress won't be sitting on their hands, Paul has no leadership ability, and at best you'd see the status quo. More likely Congress run wild. If you want your taxes to fall, consider Thompson.

As to the utter contempt for the GOP, it's a position of pure arrogance when held by those who take the position it, like the nation, has been "hijacked", an act of force. Time for those "Republicans" to leave.

45 posted on 11/30/2007 8:33:28 AM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: SJackson
Concern about eliminating the IRS or federal aid to education, not a concern at all because he won't do it.

Re-read the Constitution. Eliminating the IRS & education has to originate from Congress. I guarantee you that Paul will work harder to see that they're eliminated than all previous Presidents combined.

46 posted on 11/30/2007 8:34:16 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Re-read the Constitution. Eliminating the IRS & education has to originate from Congress. I guarantee you that Paul will work harder to see that they're eliminated than all previous Presidents combined.

Right, he only say he won't do it, but he really will.

And I have EEE's word on it.

Outstanding!

I'll give you this, it is possible he will do something as you suggest, and was just lying to his then current audience, a school, where eliminating the IRS and the Dept of Education wouldn't be popular.

In which case he's simply a liar.

47 posted on 11/30/2007 8:38:23 AM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
This "article" doesn't merit a response.

Then why did you respond and continue to respond?

48 posted on 11/30/2007 8:39:25 AM PST by mnehring (..one candidate did not display any moderateness or liberalism...Fred Thompson - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: traviskicks; davenalle; SJackson; wideawake
lol, well i can attest to this meeting as I was at it. About 1/3rd of the people there were Ron Paul supporters

Thanks for the admission. This is something to note when we hear about 'massive' turnout for Paul.

49 posted on 11/30/2007 8:39:32 AM PST by mnehring (..one candidate did not display any moderateness or liberalism...Fred Thompson - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: SJackson
Paul has no leadership ability

Doesn't need it, he'll have a mandate from voters & there won't be any of this partisanship crap like we have now, meaning that he'll have the support from Democrats.

and at best you'd see the status quo. More likely Congress run wild.

Ain't gonna happen. People who supported Paul means that they're going to take a good look at their Reps and Senators too. Congress doesn't support Paul's agenda = They'll be unemployed next election.

If you want your taxes to fall, consider Thompson.

I'll take the elimination of the IRS with Paul over more tinkering and tax engineering that benefit Thompson's lobbyist and lawyer pals, thank you.

50 posted on 11/30/2007 8:40:03 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SJackson
Right, he only say he won't do it, but he really will. And I have EEE's word on it.

..as I've said.. political Rorschach test.. people are projecting their beliefs on Paul as if that was his stance. In reality, they just want to vote for themselves.

51 posted on 11/30/2007 8:40:35 AM PST by mnehring (..one candidate did not display any moderateness or liberalism...Fred Thompson - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: mnehrling
Then why did you respond and continue to respond?

I'm not responding to the article, I'm responding to YOU guys who got nothing better to do than trash one of the greatest statesman of our time.

52 posted on 11/30/2007 8:42:16 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SJackson
I'll give you this, it is possible he will do something as you suggest, and was just lying to his then current audience, a school, where eliminating the IRS and the Dept of Education wouldn't be popular.

College voters are aware that Paul opposes the Dept of Education and federal student loans. Guess what, they're still supporting him. Maybe they feel that they should be responsible for paying for their own education like Dr. Paul did (He also banned his children from accepting federal education loans too). What a concept, people becoming more responsible for themselves. Gee, why hasn't any of the other Republican candidates think of this? They were too busy pandering to socon bigwigs for their endorsements rather than talking about the issues that affect young adults.

53 posted on 11/30/2007 8:46:49 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SJackson
More likely Congress run wild

LOL, you mean like the last 7 years?

If you want your taxes to fall, consider Thompson.

Hold on a sec......(walking to the corner)....Fred, hey Fred, wake up somebody's talking about you!! Yes you can get your round of applause Fred. Thanks but no thanks. Same rhetoric as Junior. Well except Fred wants to continue to bomb third world nations that don't represent a threat to our borders

As to the utter contempt for the GOP, it's a position of pure arrogance when held by those who take the position it, like the nation, has been "hijacked", an act of force. Time for those "Republicans" to leave.

Never said I was a Republican. I'm an old school conservative that happened to recognize for a time the Republicans acted and spoke conservative as well as standing for limited government. Doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Hasn't been for a long time

54 posted on 11/30/2007 8:47:36 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: mnehrling
This is something to note when we hear about 'massive' turnout for Paul.

The 5,000 people who showed up at Paul's rally in Philadelphia. All Truthers, Neo-Nazis, and Code Pinkers, right?

55 posted on 11/30/2007 8:50:51 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Paul has no leadership ability--- Doesn't need it, he'll have a mandate from voters & there won't be any of this partisanship crap like we have now, meaning that he'll have the support from Democrats.

Outstanding, an agreement from one of Paul's most rabid supporters that Paul has no leadership ability.

Kudu's, for once you're right.

As to your contension that he won't need leadership ability due to his "mandate", I'll ignore the mandate till it develops, but the contension that a President of the United States doesn't need leadership ability is absurd. And clear evidence of the anarchic tendencies of many of his supporters.

Ain't gonna happen. People who supported Paul means that they're going to take a good look at their Reps and Senators too. Congress doesn't support Paul's agenda = They'll be unemployed next election.

Right, the corrupt GOP will rally to Paul. Or will it be the corrupt DNC, could be either. However it will be neither, Paul has no Congressional support, as evidenced by his complete inability to accomplish anything legislatively in his career.

That's additional evidence of his lack of leadership skills. And their importance, because while Paul vegitates, people with names like Kennedy, McCain and Feingold have accomplished all sorts of things.

Just what America needs, a leader who can't lead.

I'll take the elimination of the IRS with Paul over more tinkering and tax engineering that benefit Thompson's lobbyist and lawyer pals, thank you.

No, you won't because it's been demonstrated an impossibility on FR numerous occasions, and because Ron Paul, the non leader, says he won't do it.

56 posted on 11/30/2007 8:51:23 AM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
College voters are aware that Paul opposes the Dept of Education and federal student loans. Guess what, they're still supporting him.

I'm sure, that's why he said

he recognizes that some -- like eliminating the IRS, and returning all funding of education to the states -- are unlikely to be achieved as president. So he said he’d focus on the one area a president has more leverage -- foreign policy.

because the students knew he'd really do it, even if he said he did, that he was just joshing around.

Actually he said what he meant, that he'd do the one thing he can do as President, pull the troops out immediately. That's what his campaign is about.

57 posted on 11/30/2007 8:56:10 AM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: mnehrling
..as I've said.. political Rorschach test.. people are projecting their beliefs on Paul as if that was his stance. In reality, they just want to vote for themselves.

As we've discussed many times, when coupled with the hostility toward "the other", classic cult behaivior.

58 posted on 11/30/2007 8:57:13 AM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Well, according to the other post, only 1/3rd of the people that showed up at Vegas rally were really Paul supporters so we can guess that 2/3rds who showed up in Philly were either press or there to watch a train wreck.


59 posted on 11/30/2007 9:05:27 AM PST by mnehring (..one candidate did not display any moderateness or liberalism...Fred Thompson - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: billbears
Never said I was a Republican. I'm an old school conservative that happened to recognize for a time the Republicans acted and spoke conservative as well as standing for limited government. Doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Hasn't been for a long time

The way some Paul supporters describe it to me, that the America First movement was the core of the GOP, it never has. While I think the criticism that the GOP has to return to a small government focus is legitimate, I find the often over the top criticims (don't think I recall you engaging in that) of betrayal, well, over the top, and when coming from non-Republicans worthy of dismissal.

60 posted on 11/30/2007 9:08:53 AM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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