Evidence that thimerosal has caused the autism epidemic

[sarasota]

I concur. But you may be surprised by the responses from some FReepers.

[mike182d]

Amen, brother. If people knew half of what was in vaccines, they would never even let the needle come near their child.

[nmh]

WOW!

Thank you for going to the trouble of posting all of this. I will read this when I have more time.

I hope your son fully recovers. Perhaps a lawsuit would teach these people inthe medical community to stop abusing their authority?

[mike182d]

"Simply put, it is not ethical to give a medicine that will kill and maim persons for no demonstrable benefit. Assuaging fears about vulnerability to a potential disease is not a benefit any physician should accept."

Dr. Jeffrey S. Sartin, MD

[mountaineer]

But the explosion we are seeing today is directly linked to the increase in mercury given to our children in the early 90's.

But your son is 3, isn't he, so he would have been conceived and born around 2001, and couldn't have been "given" mercury 10 years ago.

[CraigG]

"But your son is 3, isn't he, so he would have been conceived and born around 2001, and couldn't have been "given" mercury 10 years ago."

It's a common misconception that mercury was removed in 1999. It was only recommended that it be removed. There were millions of vaccines with mercury sitting on the shelves and we couldn't waste that, could we? The truth is, we really don't know when it was taken out because it was never mandated. Best guess is late 2002/early 2003. But even though it may not be used as an ingredient, it is still used in the manufacturing process so that drug companies do not need to maintain a sterile environment. One scientist is quoted as saying in 2000 that based on the data he sees in the vaccine database, he will not let his grandson be vaccinated with thimerosal. But sadly he didn't care enough about our kids to mandate a removal. This is available for all to see via the Freedom of Info Act. My son, and countless others, were poisoned with mercury in 2002 for no reason. I hope these people will pay for their crimes.

[Servant of the 9]

I have learned that autism is really mercury poisoning. The epidemic we are seeing now is the result of the mercury preservative in vaccines.

Sorry, but mercury is only poisonous if inhaled as a vapor.
If ingested or injected mercury were poisonous everyone who ever got a common mercury/silver amalgam tooth filling would be stricken, and mercury as a preservative has been present in vaccines for 100 years, so it cannot suddenly be responsible for an increase in autism.

Autism involves a sudden growth spurt in the brain, beyond that of normal children. There is no indication that that can be caused by mercury.

Modern man only appeared about 20,000 years ago. There is no evidence that we have stopped evolving. Autism may be an unfortunate result of some of the mutations that are still occurring as our intelligence increases.

So9

[CraigG]

"Perhaps a lawsuit would teach these people inthe medical community to stop abusing their authority?"

I believe this would teach them a lesson but the drug companies are using all of their influence to make sure that this does not happen. There are four bills they are hoping to see passed that will protect them from all liability. The National Autism Assocation, of which I am a member, posted the following alert regarding these bills:

- Over the last few weeks, our community has been dealing with S.3, a bill that would remove children's rights, remove already-passed bans on mercury and protect drug companies from liability.

- What's happened is that pieces of language in S3 have ended up in smaller, multiple bills. They're using sort of a "shot-gun" approach to get the language passed.

- THERE ARE THREE NEW BILLS INTRODUCED: HR650, S366 AND HR 534. ALL hurt our children's rights and impede efforts to protect other children.

- THEY WILL NOT OUTSMART US. THEY WILL NOT REMOVE OUR CHILDREN'S RIGHTS! We must tackle these smaller bills, or our children's rights will be in jeopardy. This is not an action alert, rather a Parents-taking-back-control alert. IT IS BEYOND URGENT, BEYOND IMPORTANT...WITH YOU, WE WILL WIN!


PROFILE OF FIRST BILL:
NAME: HR650...the `Vaccine Accessibility for Children and Seniors Act of 2005'
INTRODUCED IN: House.
COMMITTEE: Judiciary.
MAIN PURPOSE: Will REMOVE children's rights to fair vaccine litigation.
FULL BILL CAN BE READ AT: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/query

PROFILE OF SECOND BILL:
NAME: S 366...the `Healthy Mothers and Healthy Babies Access to Care Act of 2005'
INTRODUCED IN: Senate.
COMMITTEE: HELP (Health, Education, Labor, Pensions)
MAIN PURPOSE: Will LIMIT fair compensation for vaccine-related injuries. Will LIMIT rights following injuries from medical malpractice.
FULL BILL CAN BE READ AT: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/query

PROFILE OF THIRD BILL:
NAME: H.R. 534...the `Help Efficient, Accessible, Low-cost, Timely Healthcare (HEALTH) Act of 2005
INTRODUCED IN: House.
MAIN PURPOSE: Will LIMIT punitive damages.
FULL BILL CAN BE READ AT: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/query

[dog breath]

I hope what you write is true, a solution would be nice, but whatever causes it has made my life a lot more difficult for 13 years. Hopefully research like this can prevent the trauma of this disorder from inflicting itself on future generations. Research is good!

[CraigG]

"Sorry, but mercury is only poisonous if inhaled as a vapor. If ingested or injected mercury were poisonous everyone who ever got a common mercury/silver amalgam tooth filling would be stricken, and mercury as a preservative has been present in vaccines for 100 years, so it cannot suddenly be responsible for an increase in autism."

No need to apologize. This is a very confusing topic and there is not a lot of information out there. Thimerosal has only been around since the 30's. You are correct in saying that it has always been used in vaccines. But what you may not realize is that the amount of ethlymercury received by children through Thimerosal-containing vaccines increased 246% between 1986 and 1991. Additionally, children were given vaccines at birth (because there is a good chance of a newborn doing drugs or having unprotected sex that would cause them to acquire HEPB - that was sarcasm).

Your statement regarding mercury only being dangerous if inhaled is simply not true. Please reference my initial post and view some of the studies I mention. You will see what I mean. Do you recall "Mad Hatters" or "Pink Disease"? These are mercury poisonings and we know this today. I'm quite certain they were not inhaled mercury.

And there is a growing body of evidence about the dangers of amalgam fillings which I won't get into now.

[CraigG]

I sympathize with you. And I know how difficult it is although I've only been going through it for 18 months.

I have seen improvements in my son from diet (GFCF, sugar free, organic food, no preservatives...) and from other treatments designed to improve methylation and detox heavy metals. I have stool reports showing the metals my son is excreting and you would just be shocked. Are you familiar with Defeat Autism Now! (DAN!)? There was a movement by parents who would not accept the fate given to their children by mainstream doctors. DAN! doctors are doctors that have autistic children or that have an open mind. Autistic children are recovering and some even lose their diagnosis completely.

[RushCrush]

Ping

[mike182d]

There is no evidence that we have stopped evolving.

What evidence do you have that we are evolving at all? How are you able to effectivley differentiate between natural genetic mutations and chemicals/growth hormones shoved down our stomachs in nearly every processed food?

If evolution were a science, surely there would be a testing method to determine this beyond speculation, would there not?

[Servant of the 9]

Do you recall "Mad Hatters" or "Pink Disease"? These are mercury poisonings and we know this today. I'm quite certain they were not inhaled mercury.

Yes, they were. I had a friend killed the same way by working in an inadequately ventilated room with an open mercury container

The amount of mercury in every vaccination you get in your entire life is less than what you ingest with the installation of one tooth filling.

SO9

[Eva]

I was also told, by a woman who had two autistic children, that autism is much more common among engineer type fathers. When both parents are math types, the percentages rise even higher.

[thomaswest]

"Sorry, but mercury is only poisonous if inhaled as a vapor."

Soluble mercury compounds, such as mercuric chloride, are extremely poisonous; a gram of mercuric chloride will kill a man in 24 hours. It causes precipitation of proteins in the kidneys.

You are correct that mercury in metallic (liquid) form is less toxic; a gram swallowed will not kill you (altho a little is converted to the chloride by the stomach acids).

Inhaled mercury is devious, because it lodges in the lungs and the body has no natural mechanism to remove it. Over time, bit by bit it is converted to organo-mercury compounds that induce neuorological and other disorders. You are correct about the hatters, who used mercury as a "blocking agent" to make the felt of hats stiffer.

Organo-mercury compounds found concentrated in some fish species are a notable health risk, widely recognized.

[CraigG]

"The amount of mercury in every vaccination you get in your entire life is less than what you ingest with the installation of one tooth filling"

If it's only inhaled mercury that is a problem, why does our government place warnings on our fish that contains mercury?

I'm not going to pretend I know how much mercury is in amalgams. But like I said earlier, amalgams have caused illness and everyone should have them removed by a dentist who understands how toxic mercury is and is skilled in removing it without increasing your risk of mercury exposure in the process.

But I do know how much mercury is in a vaccine:

Birth: Hep B contains 12.5 mcg of mercury. Based on the EPA Hg limit this is 35X over the safety limit for a 8lb infant and 70X over the safety limit for a 4lb infant.

2 months: Hep B - 12.5 mcg, HIB 25 mcg, DTaP 25 mcg
Based on the EPA Hg limit this is 138X over the safety limit for a 10lb infant

4 months: HIB - 25 mcg, DTaP 25 mcg
72X over for a 14lb infant

6 months: HIB - 25 mcg, DTaP 25 mcg
68X over for a 16lb infant

12 months: HIB - 25 mcg, DTaP 25 mcg
55X over for a 20lb infant

Making matters worse is that the vaccines were in multi dose vials. Mercury is heavy so it sinks to the bottom. If the doctor didn't shake up the vial to evenly distribute the mercury some children could end up getting significantly more mercury than the averages I summarized above.

So there can be no argument that our children were exposed to VERY DANGEROUS levels of mercury in their vaccine.

Have you seen the warnings placed on thimerosal by its manufacturers? If it is not dangerous as you indicate why do they have skulls on the bottle to indicate it is poison? Here is the MSDS warning from one manufacturer:

“Nervous System and Reproduction Effects; Effects
of exposure include fetal changes; Mercury poisoning
may occur; Exposure in children may cause mild to
severe mental retardation; Hypersensitivity to mercury
is a medical condition aggravated by exposure;
Hazardous substance, toxic waste disposal."

We're talking about the 2nd most toxic substance on the planet. Have you read Mady Hornig's mouse study where she replicated the vaccine schedule on mice and found autistic symptoms in mice? Have you seen the unpublished CDC studies showing a DIRECT CORRELATION between thimerosal & autism? Here is a link to David Kirby's website, the author of a new book called Evidence of Harm. You can download the presentation that I saw from his website. www.evidenceofharm.com

Tomorrow, a new website will be coming online that will present all of this information in one place. It will truly blow your mind.

[CraigG]

I have not heard this. Some new information that has surfaced recently helps to explain why this is so much more common in boys. Testosterone binds to mercury making it harder for boys to excrete it while estrogen can protect against mercury. Dr. Boyd Haley has an excellent chart on this and it's available at the evidenceofharm.com website (although it may be tough to interpret without someone to present it). Drs. Geier's are currently researching treatments based on the testosterone information

[maine-iac7]

Sorry, but mercury is only poisonous if inhaled as a vapor.

So as long as I don't smell the fish I eat, like tuna - purportedly one of the highest in mercury toxicity - there's no problem with eating it (/sarc)