Posted on 07/25/2004 10:03:03 PM PDT by Coleus
Yes, each time they extract a bunch of eggs, they fertilize about 20. But not all 20 are immediately implanted or destroyed. Instead, most are kept frozen so that if none of the first batch 'take' (or if the couple wants more children after the first batch) a technician can simply unfreeze a few more eggs without having to start all over with the painful and expensive extraction process.
Were it not for the facts that (1) extracting a batch of eggs is a difficult operation, but it's not much harder to extract many as to extract a few, and (2) unfertilized eggs don't keep "on ice" the way sperm or embryos do, I would suspect researchers wouldn't bother fertilizing more eggs than they were going to implant at a time.
BTW, suppose a couple made a commitment that, when they went for an IVF treatment, they would have all their embryos implanted (in small groups) in whatever time-frame was required, and raise as many or as few children as they ended up with as a result; what would be the moral issues then? Presumably they'd avoid starting out with 50...
Hey, I agree with you that human life begins at conception. The only reason I didn't use the correct scientific term was because I forgot what it was at the very earliest stage. I'm pro-life, I was just asking about IVF, because what the original poster was saying didn't sound right to me... but like I said, I'm not an expert on this particular issue.
If you would like to read much more on these topics (IVF, ESCR, and cloning), there is a free manuscript for downloading or reading on the net, at http://weneedtalk.blogspot.com (CLICK HERE) . I wrote it to be a lay-person's guide to the technical stuff. Feel free to copy it and read it then share it with others. Thank you for this extra opportunity to address these topics.
Incidentally, there is a portion in the manuscript about a healthy child born via C-section who had implanted in the tissue of her Mother's liver! The key is, 'the newly conceived individual builds all of the structures for his or her survival in thew water world and later the air world ... so many do not realize that it is the new individual life who builds the placental encapsulation! So many facts, so little discernment in America ...
( If you don't stand up for what's RIGHT, you'll settle for what's LEFT.)
I'm living up to your tag line, how about you?
As a result of IVF there are numerous spare eggs, and embryos. The ownership, and fate of these embryos is one of the major questions arising from the use of IVF. There are also many eggs that have been taken from women being sterilized, and increasingly they have donated the eggs for scientific research. These eggs are artificially fertilized to provide a large supply of human embryos in lab death camps (humans created in God's image) for scientific research as if they were not human.
I am aware of the practice. My question was, as a hypothetical, suppose that a woman were to agree to have fertilized only as many eggs at a time as she would be willing to have children, and proceeded to implant them all at such time as that was feasible (e.g. implant them two at a time, with as many nine-month pauses as turn out to be necessary). In such case I wouldn't think there'd be any "spare" embryos, at least not if the women upheld her commitment.
There's a difference between being right, and being fanatical.
What's being fanatical about being Catholic and believing that life begins at conception and that IVF is wrong and that Catholics in the public square such as Brooke Shields should not be publicly touting a procedure in the news which according to the church kills life, is considered abortion and is a mortal sin? Sad to say people believe and emulate celebrities.
Because it's not illegal and Brooke Shields has the right to do what she wants to do. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what she does, but it seems you do. Makes me wonder, a bit. Now please, go away. We will never agree.
I honestly think there's nothing we can do about it (IVF,fertility pills,etc). After hearing the response to Ronald Reagan Jr.'s speech and hearing John Gambling this morning, stem cell research and cloning are as good as here.
Depends on how you define life, and Catholics are supposed to define it as beginning at conception. Therefore in her eagerness to have a baby, according to her own beliefs she offed a bunch of others.
I can't imagine allowing them to try to implant a bunch of embryos at a time - for one thing I wouldn't want to risk having six at a time, but the main reason is that too many others get 'flushed.'
Funny you said that, I just finished writing a letter to John Gambling. Strange that he didn't have on Wesley Smith, Esq. or Dr. Richard Doerflinger as one of his guests, just some put-up job bio-ethicist from one of his friends. His home depot analogy was inane.
Adult stem cells have been used in treating disease for years and has Proven effective. There is no need to use human embryos.
I liked the caller talking about the Chinese not having any hangups about morals LOL A lot of those callers were bizarre. Of course the caller with the boy getting the treatment outside the country makes those against fetal stellcell research look EEEEEEEEEVIL.
I bet you can treat austism the same way with adult stem cells, have they tried? adult stem cells work.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts?page=143#143 The research is out there, we just don't hear about it.
And as you are aware autism "may" be caused by thimerisol and/or the mmr immunization, rates are up 250% over the last few decades and something is doing it. I remember a Doctor from England who gives each immunization separately and not all three at once and has found NO side effects doing it that way.
Have you seen the movie Matrix? That's how I always imagined an IVF clinic to be in the future.
"It's not illegal"
Neither was slavery; what's your point?
I've said my peace...this is not something I'm going to waste my time discussing. You two can lament about how immoral the world is without me. Please.
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