'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms

Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

[goodseedhomeschool]

I'm getting sleepy and so I will bid you goodnight. Goodnight to all my brothers and sisters in Christ here too. I have enjoyed the posts tonight all.

[JesseShurun]

John was the "beloved disciple" and he was not whacky, whatever that is, He was a prophet of God, no less than was Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel or any of the OT prophets.

[JesseShurun]

do you believe "there's a little spark of good and God, in everybody"?

[Aric2000]

Good night to you as well, sleep well, I need to be doing that myself, have to get up at 5 and drive to work, 75 miles to the office. UGH!! I hate Mondays and Fridays....

I telecommute Tuesday through Thursday....

[Aric2000]

You are too funny, but I will answer the question.

Yes....

[happydogdesign]

So say some of the folks that put his rants in their book-some others left him out. There's a lot to be said for careful editing.

[JesseShurun]

Pure gnosticism, good night Aric, a pleasure as always

[JesseShurun]

so what? He revealed it, whether "they" put it in their books or not. You know nothing and unless you have anything else to add to that nothing, I'll have to go

[Aric2000]

To you as well, good night...

[happydogdesign]

If some scruffy guy is standing in the street talking about weird critters and angels, is he a prophet, too?

[f.Christian]

entry level satanism -- evolution !

[lafroste]

I agree with strength through diversity.

So do I, if it is diversity of ideas, talent, and skills. If it is diversity based on skin color, ancestral origins, sexual preferences, or social pecking orders, it's raucous bullsh&t and richly deserves as much derision as can be heaped on it.

[Aric2000]

Never thought that this thread would go to almost 500 in the first night, wow.....LOL

[Stultis]

You fear alternative theories. Evolutionists don't even like scientific criticism of evolution taught in schools, eventhough the criticism is brought forth by fellow scientists.

Apparently this will shock you but apart from senior level or post-graduate symposia and the like, there is essentially no important or significant scientific debate, criticism or testing and formulation of theories going on in classrooms.

Even if you cram creationism into the highschool curricula by means of popular or political pressure, that doesn't do one thing to make it part of science. It is what working scientists engaged in original and ongoing research DO (and not, btw, what they "believe") and the theories and principles their research implicates, tests or advances, that determines the content of science.

The myopic focus of creationist and IDers on school curricula is actually adequate evidence, even without examining the doctrines themselves, that this stuff is not science, and has no potential to prevail on merit in the marketplace of scientific ideas. Its even evidence that, at some psychological level, creationists themselves don't believe that their ideas are genuinely scientific. If they did they would never take this approach. The attempt to make an end run around the process of scientific review can only discredit their ideas among the scientists they should be trying to convince.

Also, no scientist who really believed their unconvential theory had merit or potential would take, or even willingly permit, the curricula based approach to the issue that creationists and IDers have adopted. After all, if a scientist really believes they have a better idea, they're not out for some namby-pamby, relativistic, let's-try-really-hard-to-be-inclusive-and-not-upset-anyone-by-teaching-something-that-might-offend-their-cultural-sensibilities, equal time, balanced treatment bu!!sh!t. A real scientist wants to falsify theories that are wrong or inadequate, and to replace them with better ones.

[JesseShurun]

God's prophet is one who speaks the Word of God. I personally believe that there are other types of prophets that God has gifted for His reasons, ie the prophet at Delphi, pagan prophets in the bible, who foretell, but they are not ordained to speak the Word of God. Contrary to what you have heard, a true prophet of God is the most rational being on earth

[Aric2000]

Very true, sorry, missed that post...

[happydogdesign]

So if some guy standing in the street is telling you about strange critters, God, angels, and doom, is he a prophet?

[f.Christian]

Evolution via a left wing bolshevik monopoly reversed everthing into a technocracy -- cabal orchestrated by the media and schools !

Evolution is an insidious conspiracy of brainwashing - indoctrination - manipulation - control --- rape - tyranny !

Main Entry: in·sid·i·ous
Pronunciation: in-'si-dE-&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin insidiosus, from insidiae ambush, from insidEre to sit in, sit on, from in- + sedEre to sit -- more at SIT
Date: 1545
1 a : awaiting a chance to entrap : TREACHEROUS b : harmful but enticing : SEDUCTIVE < insidious drugs >
2 a : having a gradual and cumulative effect : SUBTLE < the insidious pressures of modern life > b of a disease : developing so gradually as to be well established before becoming apparent
- in·sid·i·ous·ly adverb
- in·sid·i·ous·ness noun

[JesseShurun]

what do you think? Is this what you do? Are you a prophet?

[happydogdesign]

How does one qualify as an official prophet?