'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms

Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

[longshadow]

I just finished an extensive one myself, so I know how intense they get!

Do they let the probe warm to body temperature first, or do they just stick it to you, while it's still cold?

[RightWingNilla]

In all seriousness, Hovind claims he is some kind of expert in a multidisciplinary field such as paleontology (Hence the nick “Dr. Dino”). If you examine his background (readily available from the links above), you will easily see he has no credentials to support this and can’t be taken too seriously.

It is the equivalent your attorney saying he is compentent to represent you in court because he saw back to back episodes of Law and Order on TNT last night.

[goodseedhomeschool]

You have made your point. He must have done something really bad to make you judge him so much and I am sure you have fully researched this issue (sarcasm). Ok junior, you hate him and you think yourself more educated than he is. That's ok. Perhaps you are. I just take issue with labeling "mills". Some may be called that when they should not be. I call a mill a place where you plop down a few bucks and babing, a diploma, no work involved. I really don't think this is the case with PU, but you do so ok.

[goodseedhomeschool]

No he does not and I think that is where the problem is coming in. I have never ever heard him claim to be an expert of any kind. Have you ever heard him speak or watched a seminar at all. If you had, you would know this. He emphatically states that he is not an expert but that "this is what he thinks".

[js1138]

I don't see any degrees being offered in any field related to science, nor do I see a Ph.D. being offered.

[goodseedhomeschool]

For the last time guys, Dr. Hovind's education is not in science, he has never said that and you need to get this in your head. He is a minister, he taught science in public and private schools for 20 or someodd years and this is his ministry.

[Junior]

He is evidently on the outs with at least one creationist organization, Answers in Genesis. Their tiff can be read here.

[RightWingNilla]

I have never ever heard him claim to be an expert of any kind.

Well he does go around calling himself "Dr. Dino".

At the very least, it seems to me he is trying to give the impression he has a doctorate in paleobiology.

[goodseedhomeschool]

Who cares if he is on the outs with AIG. I think AIG is becoming much like what they lable the enemy anyway. AIG is not the last word in this area no more so that many of the different evolutionists who disagree on issues too. Most of the people I know, no longer have much respect for AIG because of their backbiting and putting other ministries down for their opnions.

[goodseedhomeschool]

Dr Dino started as a fun name for him. C'mon guys have any of you ever really heard him? We must stop listening to other people who dislike someone and automatically form judgements on others. You can download Dr Dino's seminars free online. Maybe if you heard him, even if you disagree with what he believes, you would see things more clearly.

[Junior]

BTW, the tiff originated over AiG's list of Arguments We Think Creationists Should Not Use. A number of those same arguments appear every time a new crevo thread hits the forum.

Now, mind you, I think AiG's position on the crevo debate is untenable; however, when it comes to creationist organizations they are one of the few that has integrity, which is definitely worthy of respect.

[goodseedhomeschool]

This in in your opinion that AIG has more integrity. I hear a very different story form my peers. I know exactly how that whole got started and you might be surprised to know ALL THE DETAILS.

[Junior]

I hate no one (except for a certain Navy Captain, and he knows who he is). Kent Hovind is a fraud, and it pains me to see someone as good-hearted as you taken in by his deceit. He is not a man of God. He is masquerading as a man of God.

[goodseedhomeschool]

I wish you would not feel that way. He is so nice and has done so much. He is very funny too. LOL, he has this one seminar tape called, "How to make money God's way".. He talks about number one, two, three four and five workers. It's guided towards kids and how kids need to learn to be hard workers in the work and homeplace and it is just so good. My son loves it. He also has one for kids about dino and one about health. I wish you did not dislike him so much.

[Junior]

They do not post fraudulent quotes as many of their contemporaries do; they try to keep up with the debate (hence their list of arguments not to use). They are not the end-all-be-all of creationists, but they are more upstanding than most.

[goodseedhomeschool]

I like the end of every tape he has where he leads people in the plan of salvation, asking Jesus to come into their life. He gives his testimony on each tape too. He has a great story about how all this got started with him.

[goodseedhomeschool]

Did I post something fraudulent? I was not aware that I did. What was it?

[goodseedhomeschool]

Why do you keep using that word. I told you what I know. I am not a fraud. I wasn't the last time I looked.

[Junior]

Never said you did.

[goodseedhomeschool]

Sorry I misread your post. oops. :(