Judge takes swing at war on drugs

Rocky Mountain News ^ | January 29, 2003 | Karen Abbott

[MrLeRoy]

It is, according to Wickard v. Filburn (1942), which decided that a man was in violation of federal law because he was growing twelve acres more winter wheat on his farm than was permitted. Even though he was feeding all the wheat to his farm animals.

Let us join Dane, Roscoe, and robertpaulsen in kowtowing to the Almighty State.

[Orbiting_Rosie's_Head]

Yes, indeed. That's because the ideology of pro-doperism is a socialist cause--not a conservative cause.

So altering you brain chemistry so that you are relaxed with a heightened sense of creativity and humor is an illegal socialist cause. But altering your brain chemistry so that you lose motor skills, puke, pass out, or in many cases become violent, is a legal conservative pastime.

[Roscoe]

Did you see this letter Kane signed with Joycelyn Elders and George Soros?

http://www.drugpolicy.org/events/archive/conferences/unrace/letter/index.cfm

[robertpaulsen]

Let's see. Who said, "illustrate absurdity by being absurd"? No affect on interstate commerce, indeed.

[dirtboy]

Did you see this letter Kane signed with Joycelyn Elders and George Soros?

I see you failed to mention that Milton Friedman and David Kopel signed it as well. As Orwell once said, omission is the most powerful form of lie. Thanks for demonstrating such.

[MrLeRoy]

"cultivation for personal use, where no commerce occurs."

You're saying that growing your own has no effect in interstate commerce.

No, he said "no commerce occurs."

[robertpaulsen]

But you will stand by your statement that people growing their own pot has no effect on interstate commerce? That was the only point I was making. The rest of it, you and your cronies invented, as you are all apt to do.

[tacticalogic]

Let's see. Who said, "illustrate absurdity by being absurd"? No affect on interstate commerce, indeed.

And where in the Constitution is Congress empowered to regulate whatever might "affect interstate commerce"?

[dirtboy]

But you will stand by your statement that people growing their own pot has no effect on interstate commerce?

No, I'm saying that it is NOT interstate commerce. Period. Me growing a plant in my backyard has the same effect of an acorn falling and becoming an oak tree. Saying that the effect is what matters, not the actuality, has been a liberal justification for federal uspration for decades, but SCOTUS is starting to peel back that over-application, such as overturning a law regarding guns in school zones that relied on such an over-zealous bending of Commerce Clause reasoning to justify its constiutionality - that if someone was shot in a school, their parents lost time at work, which affects interstate commerce.

SCOTUS no longer buys that liberal nonsense, but you, apparently, are a willing consumer of such.

[robertpaulsen]

If you're going to weigh in, then weigh in.

Does growing your own pot affect interstate commerce? If not, why not? (Just kidding on the last question.)

[dirtboy]

Does growing your own pot affect interstate commerce?

Thanks for making the case that drug warriors and FDR liberals are cut from the same political cloth, as you both are attempting the same argument to justify federal usupration.

[MrLeRoy]

Does growing your own pot affect interstate commerce?

Yes. So what? The plain language of the Interstate Commerce Clause gives Congress no authority over intrastate activities that "affect" interstate commerce.

[Roscoe]

"The answer can only be found in the racism and prejudice that permeate the 'war on drugs' from start to finish..."

"The 'war on drugs' is rooted in racial bias. It is racially unequal in its implementation. And it is racist in its disproportionate impact."

Kane, Kunstler, Elder, Soros, et al

It reads like a DNC talking points memo.

[robertpaulsen]

Not the question, dirtboy. The question was, "Does growing your own pot affect interstate commerce?

[MrLeRoy]

"Our national drug policy is inconsistent with the nature of justice, abusive of the nature of authority, and wholly ignorant of the compelling force of forgiveness," he said. "I suggest that federal drug laws be severely cut back."

This is what I based my statemnet on.

There is no basis there for your lie that "he rules from the bench consistant with his opinion."

[dirtboy]

"The 'war on drugs' is rooted in racial bias. It is racially unequal in its implementation. And it is racist in its disproportionate impact."

Kane, Kunstler, Elder, Soros, et al

It reads like a DNC talking points memo.

OK, then, explain why there is a sentencing disparity between crack cocaine and powdered cocaine, when both are essential the same intoxicant. One does not need to be a Democrat to see racial bias in the sentencing laws here. But I don't expect someone blinded by their zeal for the drug war to ever acknowledge such.

[FreeTally]

I see you failed to mention that Milton Friedman and David Kopel signed it as well.

And Republican governor Gary Johnson.

And George Zimmer, CEO of "Men's Warehouse". I knew he was a great guy for offering such low prices, but he really stepped up to the plate here.