Child killer has proclaimed innocence in cards, visits

San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 1/3/03 | Alex Roth

[cyncooper]

Keyser/Ott sound like jackasses asking about the screen in the bathroom. Dave tells them the only thing he knows he can see from there is the street. Which means other people could see him.

So you buy the "some black guy" came by, knocked on the door and asked if DW wanted his windows washed and he's the one who bent the screen? Too bad DW says this anonymous window washer happened by two years ago and he didn't have a name to provide.

Also, the business about seeing the street--he wasn't talking about the bathroom window, he said the two front windows.

[demsux]

Well, I hope the mantra that it was only a rumor that he failed a polygraph can finally be put to rest. I heard a portion of the tape last night and when the police were explaining to DW why they knew he had something to do with Danielle's disappearance, the polygraph was mentioned (as in, paraphrase, "your trip, the polygraph, ...").

You realize, of course, that the police can "lie" about such things in an interogation?

[demsux]

So you buy the "some black guy" came by, knocked on the door and asked if DW wanted his windows washed and he's the one who bent the screen? Too bad DW says this anonymous window washer happened by two years ago and he didn't have a name to provide.

We use the "off duty firefighters" to do our windows, but I don't know any of their names.

[EllaMinnow]

You realize, of course, that some of us have just heard the tape of the one, two, three, four polygraphs that DW took.

[cyncooper]

I just heard a tape of a polygraph test being administered to DW. He ultimately takes four.

In addition, the prep for the test was played and the run-through before the first actual test.

DW clearly knows he is taking a polygraph test.

They break the knews to him later. As luck would have it, he failed, not once, not twice, not three, but he failed the test four times.

[EllaMinnow]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/danielle/20030108-1314-west.html

Listen for yourself.

[bvw]

In addition to the polygraph they also had a tarot card reader, a clarivoyent, a palm reader and a magic eight ball -- all FOUR of whom pronounced Westerfield guilty with equal validity to the lie detetcor test. Eight for eight. Hang him!

[EllaMinnow]

"In an interview yesterday, Redden said Westerfield was the only person who failed a polygraph test during the investigation into Danielle's disappearance. Both of the girl's parents, Brenda and Damon van Dam, passed the test, as did the four friends of the van Dams who partied with the couple on the night the girl vanished from her bedroom.

Westerfield's son, Neal, also passed the polygraph test."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/danielle/20030109-9999_1m9david.html

[bvw]

A polygraph is as reliable as a Newark (NJ) stripper. A series of them as reliable as her "extended family"

[Freedom2specul8]

Would you like all the threads that discussed the van dams and satanism?

[Freedom2specul8]

Well, I consider dealing in the occult satanism..you might not.

[bvw]

I love rationality. (But I still recognize that some numbers can not be expressed as the ratio of two rational numbers.)

Explain what makes a lie detector test less occultish than an ouija board. I can not.

[Freedom2specul8]

I think there is some credibility..if a persona is trying to be deceptive, their palms might get sweaty, their eyes might wonder a bit. I recall discussion about that on earlier threads. I wouldn't be surprised if the blood pressure shifted while someone lies. Just the fact that everyone else passed and not DW..makes one think there is definitely something going on there..

Regardless, I would not want polygraph results entered into trial evidence..

[bvw]

It is no different than a professional fortune teller. The gypsy woman reads facial, scent, movement, and verbal cues more adeptly than a lie-detector expert in a white smock.

And at the spirital level -- BOTH are subject to the occult.

Behaving rationally is a spiritual behaviour. It is good for the spirit.

The case *presented in court* against Westerfield is (1) based on a presumption of guilt and (2) due to the information withheld from the finders of fact (the jury) -- occultic. Remember "occult" means hidden. The jurors were cajouled to make a descision based on the hidden, for they surely did NOT make it on the revealed!

[demsux]

I haven't viewed/heard it all yet, but my observations to date:

He is definitely guilty of possessing child porn. Even he admits that he thought those images were of 13 - 14 year olds.

He definitely should have consulted an attorney prior to 48+ hours of interogation, for that, he is plain STUPID.

He did deny being involved in the girl's disappearance, that's the first time I have heard it from him.

He mentioned the "oriental woman" in the neighborhood in the morning, but he also mentioned two "mexican" guys in a truck...Avila?

Will listen to the rest, however is definitely guilty of being, at the minimum, "naive".

[demsux]

May 1, 2002, defense motion to admit 'lifestyle' evidence.

PDF document

I wonder why that link doesn't work?

[demsux]

Got it to work:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/danielle/documents/SCN_20030109150433_001.pdf

[fatima]

"Btw, I addressed Fatima immediately on the appropriate post last night. She knows I remember her. "
You never posted to me.I have no idea who you are.

[fatima]

Don't know.Please verify were you posted to me .

[EllaMinnow]

Documents detail police suspicions Westerfield was 'Peeping Tom'


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/danielle/20030109-9999-westerfield_documents.html


By Steve Perez
SIGNONSANDIEGO

January 9, 2003



One of some 1,200 pages of court documents relating to the murder and kidnapping case against David Westerfield that were released Thursday.

Police suspected David Westerfield was a 'Peeping Tom' who spied on neighbors using binoculors, videotaped them from afar, and secretly recorded himself and a woman having sex, according to court records unsealed in his murder trial on Thursday.

The allegations were included in volumes of motions made public by Superior Court Judge Mudd.

The suspicions were contained in a prosecution effort to present the evidence to the jury, stating it was relevant to the case.

Last Friday, Mudd sentenced Westerfield to death for kidnapping and murdering 7-year-old Danielle van Dam, his neighbor in Sabre Springs.



View April 29, 2002, prosecution motion detailing 'Peeping Tom' allegation against Westerfield
PDF document
View April 22, 2002, prosecution motion detailing rape allegation, information on "Jenny N." allegation.
PDF document

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Other documents released January 9, 2003

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From the U-T: Westerfield failed polygraph test badly

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The unsealed prosecution papers shed some light on a puzzling question in the case, how Westerfield was able to sneak into the van Dam's home and take the girl while her family slept.

"The first question that comes to mind is how did he know where to go," prosecutors stated in the filing. "The answer is that he is a 'Peeping Tom' and very likely scouted out the van Dam residence prior to entering."