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The Truth about H1B Visas
FlyingA Productions
| 11/17/02
| FlyingA
Posted on 11/17/2002 7:03:27 AM PST by FlyingA
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To: TopQuark
36% of the unemployed 1.8 million Americans could be working if it wasn't for this law. Quite possible, but why is that a good thing? Almost 300M of Americans would have to pay their inflated salaries. Why shouls they? Why should I pay you --- through higher privces of the company you work for --- $100,000 if I can buy the same service fro $60,000?
My advice to you is not to look at govermental actions but to study a bit of economics.
Explain to me how it is 'good economics' to put Americans - who, by the way, contribute to the American economy - out of work and replace them with foriegners who, in most cases, send their earnings back to their families in other countries?
To: fellowpatriot
The answer to this question is widely available elsewhere. Take some economics.
To: TopQuark
The answer to this question is widely available elsewhere. Take some economics. That's not an answer.
To: fellowpatriot
Correct: I am simply telling you, with no disrespect intended, that the answer to your question cannot be given on FR. Here you can clarify some subtle points, refresh someone's memory about some facts, put them in different persepctive. But not to start and finish material in some book, as you requested.
To: BeAllYouCanBe
Bump.....
To: TopQuark
THE QUESTION POSED TO TopQuark [Explain to me how it is 'good economics' to put Americans - who, by the way, contribute to the American economy - out of work and replace them with foriegners who, in most cases, send their
earnings back to their families in other countries?]
The non sense reply of TopQuark ="But not to start and finish material in some book, as you requested."
Actually, it is the same thing I proposed earlier in this thread -- that you do NOT answer -- very simple questions. Why do you feel that you are above everyone here?
Economics is a very dubious science IMO and many differing opinions even among the experts but you don't have to explain yourself on anything???
I'd like to know what your credentials are O'Might and Enlightened One!
To: TopQuark
But not to start and finish material in some book, as you requested.Sorry, but I don't need a book to tell me what I know from experience. I was in the IT field for over 20 years and this is one of the reasons I left. I got sick and tired of correcting the screw-ups do to the lack of communication. It also disgusted me to see how these people are being taken advantage of by corporations. They are treated like indentured slaves. I wanted no part of that!
To: fellowpatriot
Sorry, but I don't need a book to tell me what I know from experience. That is not true for any of us.
You can drive a car for 20 years and have no clue about how the engine works --- of why it moves at all, for that matter. You can eat all your life and have no clue about the structure of what you eat.
You can feel warmth but not know where it comes from and why you feel it.
An even stronger example: you cannot know anything about elementary particles from experience.
From your field: you can be programming some SQL statements for 20 years and have no idea how to normalize a database or why should relational databases need to be normalized in the first place. That is the difference between experience and education.
I was in the IT field for over 20 years and this is one of the reasons I left. I got sick and tired of correcting the screw-ups do to the lack of communication. That is one of the ways to deal with the problem.
Another is to stay, become a manager and correct the situation.
It also disgusted me to see how these people are being taken advantage of by corporations. They are treated like indentured slaves. I wanted no part of that!
Judging from what you said so far, you do not understand how corporations function.
I am not surprized: you cannot understand other people from experience: for that you need their experience, and you cannot sit on two chairs at the same time. An alternative is to read a book, but you are against education.
To: TopQuark
"That is the difference between experience and education."
I have always thought that if you were educated then the true test was to be able to explain the principles of "science" in real world problems and in simple terms.
You cannot do this! Answer post #104 in coherent english. you can't do this without calling someone stupid!
Get A LIFE!
You keep telling us we're too dumb. You fail the test -- go back to school.
To: BeAllYouCanBe
It is an unreasonable situation I personally blame on all the open-door immigration nightmare brought on by the Clinton Administration. Muliculturalism is just great! Bush doesn't seem inclined to curb the flow of immigrants either. Ditto.......
To: TopQuark
I think you read too much. Sorry, but experience trumps theory.
Another is to stay, become a manager and correct the situation.
That's one of the funniest things I've read yet.
Judging from what you said so far, you do not understand how corporations function.
Judging from what you said that I found hilarious, neither do you! ROTFLMAO!!!
To: fellowpatriot
Glad to have provided you with entertainment.
Have a good night.
To: TheEngineer
Sorry it has been so long responding, been on a big project.
I also own a business, and agree that the solution is to give them unrestricted employment rights, not keep them out of the country.
I said that I consider the H1B flap a real Trojan Horse for our engineers, and every day in trade pubs. I see more and more evidence. Today for example in Decemebr ECN page 25
www.ecnmag.com, a story about India as the Frontier to Watch.
"Most of India's talent has historically been snatched up and exported to the Americas by foreign M/N like GE, Intel, Sun, and Cisco. Indian companies hardly ever generated proprietary technology of their own. However, today, more and more Silicon Vally expatriates are returning to India and spawning start-ups.................Converge forecasts India's IT industry to grow to $87billion by 2008 with $50 billion coming from software exports."
I just saw another trade story about how many of the domestic semiconductor tooling Co's are going either to China or under.
It will not be a good future for the US if we can not get the best from any country or planet.
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posted on
12/09/2002 3:52:48 PM PST
by
helper
To: CanadianFella
maybe. but a lot of the people comming here with these visas meet a lower standard than what an American tech worker must meet just to get through school.
To: BeAllYouCanBe
I like living here and being an American! To you country doesn't seem to matterI have been reading some of your posts and I agree. I do think you may be fighting a loosing battle.
You are arguing from a standpoint of loving your country and its people and wanting it to continue. Some are arguing from a standpoint of filling their pockets - with no allegiance to this country. This is a frightening thing - but I do believe some people are espousing this.
Now do I believe those people have any real core beliefs - no. I think they believe they sound so 'cutting edge', 'worldly' 'global', etc. when they spout that but since many Americans today have never had to make a sacrifice of any kind to keep this country going - they just can't imagine what it took to build it and keep it.
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posted on
12/10/2002 12:19:21 AM PST
by
nanny
To: nanny
"I do think you may be fighting a loosing battle."
Thanks for your support.
Every day I see more evidence to suggest that rather than losing -- in fact the battle is over -- the screwball International Socialists have won.
'You are arguing from a standpoint of loving your country"
I just finished reading a book called, The Abolition of Britain, about how the UK is no longer a country and most "UKers" are more inclined to be Euro-Weenies than Englishman. Basically, the idea of nationalism is dead in the UK and there is no national loyality.
That is Britain and I feel with the likes of TopQuark and his kind we will soon follow.
To: FlyingA
It seems if one wants to read any truth ya gotta come to the back room...lest we upset the sheeple..
To: RnMomof7
I agree, the H1b Visa Post I and others have been posting
still get updates to the threads as folks like yourself find them.
Stay tuned
FlyingA
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posted on
12/10/2002 6:53:32 PM PST
by
FlyingA
To: FlyingA
Ping me to them..It ~could ~ happen that the backroom may be where the action is in the future...
To: FlyingA
Bump!!!
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