The Eucharist of Jesus Christ

The Gospel of John, Chapter Six, The Holy Bible ^ | October 2, AD 2002 | the_doc

[St.Chuck]

What in the world do you think all of the SCANDALS of sodomy and pederasty in the RCC are all about?

What do you think that they are about?

[xzins]

This is not the time to mince words. I was not being abusive. I was being clear.

Doc, that's exactly what you, an abuser, would say. Allow me to disenable you from the wisdom of your own conceit.

You can regard me to be an aardvark and it wouldn't be so. You, on the other hand, with your abusive language demonstrably illustrate your hatred of fellow Christians. For you are reserved the words of John, By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, NOR the one who does NOT LOVE HIS BROTHER (1Jn3:10)

Smarmy....LOL....get a thesaurus

[ThomasMore]

[And what about all of the Protestants who have been murdered by the RCC over the centuries?])

And Protestants never murdered Catholics? get real Doc! Zeal can be a virtue. In your case, your bigotry and pride turn it into a vice! That's why many of us only lurk in your posts and avoid posting.

[SoothingDave]

I am at least being straightforward. The RCs need to start facing the fact of how much trouble they are in. (What in the world do you think all of the SCANDALS of sodomy and pederasty in the RCC are all about?

What is the address of your perfect Church, without any sin? I wish to join, to enable me to cast stones.

[And what about all of the Protestants who have been murdered by the RCC over the centuries?])

And what about all the Protestants who killed other Protestants and Catholics through the centuries? It is hard to take seriously one who thinks history is so clearly one-sided.

SD

[the_doc]

What do you think that they are about?

I think that this is an auspicious time for elect sinners within the RCC.

God is in perfect control of providence. We need to pay attention to the things that are going on. Providence contains divine warnings for those who have spiritual eyes for seeing and spiritual ears for hearing. The things which we see around us can make us seek the Lord in earnest in His Word.

I believe that elect sinners will notice in our day that the RCC is spiritually bankrupt. I believe that many RCs will do some historically-oriented reflection and Bible study and finally admit that the problem didn't just start at the end of the 20th Century. The scandals are the supernatural-revelatory tip of an iceberg of apostasy.

I believe that many RCs in our day will put two and two together and become Protestants.

(It's analogous to the number of people who have left the Democratic Party. They have become Republicans because they finally became ashamed of the Democratic Party. The DNC is crooked and filthy--and has been for quite some time. [In recent years, it has merely gotten so bad that many of the rank-and-file members are beginning to notice.])

Richard Bennett (www.bereanbeacon.org) edited a book entitled Far from Rome, Near to God: The Testimonies of 50 Converted Catholic Priests. and another book entitled The Truth Set Us Free: Twenty Former Nuns Tell Their Stories.

Bennett says that these are just a fraction of the large number of disillusioned priests and nuns who left RCism in the 20th Century. Bennett furthermore maintains that many of the priests who left RCism did so because they started reading the Bible honestly after they noticed how filthy and corrupt the RC priesthood was.

Upon reading the Bible honestly for the first time, they discovered to their amazement that the Papacy and the priesthood are Scripturally illegal.

I think it's time for today's RCs to realize that Martin Luther was right. And I firmly believe that God's elect will realize that Luther was right. I think that elect sinners within the RCC will become ashamed of the RCC. They will become ashamed of themselves.

(I realize that this is pretty heavy stuff, but RCism really does prove to be an enormous mess when you look at the facts of history and, more importantly, the facts of Scripture.)

[xzins]

It's the_doc's abusiveness that is the foundation of all the killings that have happened. It's a small jump from abuse to being a trigger puller against a doctrinal adversary.

Now you see how it happened.

[the_doc]

Get real yourself. The murderous history to which I referred is DRASTICALLY ONE-SIDED. If you are an educated man, you know that.

[Frumanchu]

From the times I've spent debating doctrine with the Romanists, one thing has become abundantly clear: you cannot win any argument with a Romanist until you convince them of their error in their view of the Church and the Pope. We will at times appeal to historic positions as reinforcement to our arguments, but when it comes down to it we appeal to Scripture as the sole authority. Their position is that only the one true Roman Catholic Church can "properly" interpret that Scripture, and thus historic church doctrine in a way holds more authority because it "clears up" any doctrinal disputes. It is a circular argument to be sure...Scripture says only the Church can properly interpret Scripture, and we know this because the Church properly interprets it that way, which only they can because Scripture says so...and so on and so forth.

Roman Catholicism all hinges upon one passage in Scripture about Peter. Their interpretation of that passage reads into every other doctrine about the nature and authority of the Church, which in turn affects all other doctrines because it is the authority by which they forumlate it and to which they appeal in its defense.

So, doc...I want to see a similar work on THAT passage if you have it:)

[the_doc]

See my #23, Dave.

See also my #25.

[SoothingDave]

Get real yourself. The murderous history to which I referred is DRASTICALLY ONE-SIDED. If you are an educated man, you know that.

You are simply beyond reach if you truly believe that. Good luck with your journey, and keep casting those stones.

SD

[SoothingDave]

Their position is that only the one true Roman Catholic Church can "properly" interpret that Scripture, and thus historic church doctrine in a way holds more authority because it "clears up" any doctrinal disputes. It is a circular argument to be sure...Scripture says only the Church can properly interpret Scripture, and we know this because the Church properly interprets it that way, which only they can because Scripture says so...and so on and so forth.

LOL. Only a Protestant with unexamined biases would frame things this way. The Church does not receive its authority from the Bible. Only a Sola Scriptura type would even think that way.

The Church got its authority from Jesus. Then wrote and compiled the Bible. That's linear.

SD

[the_doc]

You are simply beyond reach if you truly believe that. Good luck with your journey, and keep casting those stones.

You are manifestly not a very well-educated man.

I am not throwing stones, but telling you the Truth. Gosh, you hate the Truth so much that you revile those who dare to be honest with you.

I guess I don't have time for your petty stones of dishonest insinuations hurled at me. So, I will slip through the midst of people like you (grin). In other words, I don't plan to respond to any more of your posts.

[rdb3]

You kept that promise, OP! I had almost forgotten about this one.

doc, this is pure meat here. Babes in Christ will have a hard time digesting this one. But he who has ears to hear, he will hear it.

I'm not finished with it yet, but when I complete it, you'll both hear back from me. This is going to be really interesting (if it can remain civil, of course).

[drstevej]

While we are storm watching here in Baton Rouge, you might enjoy working through this article on John 6. I'm sure your comments and questions are welcome.

[SoothingDave]

You are manifestly not a very well-educated man.

You are confusing, perhaps, education with indoctrination into Protestant fantasies?

I am educated enough to have heard of men like Oliver Cromwell. Don't tell an Irishman how "one-sided" history is and how the Catholics are the bad guys.

I guess I don't have time for your petty stones of dishonest insinuations hurled at me.

I merely said that your view of history is weak. I don't think you are being dishonest. You are just ignorant, apparently.

So, I will slip through the midst of people like you (grin). In other words, I don't plan to respond to any more of your posts.

Whatever. If you don't want to hear criticism of your naive and self-serving nonsense, then don't post it here.

SD

[the_doc]

I stand by my #32. We'll just have to leave it at that. Go read.

(BTW, I submit that the article at the top of this thread is completely sound. And if I am right about that, you do need to take my warnings seriously.

The doctrine of reprobation is TRUE.)

[Claud]

I submit that I have given you a completely faithful exposition of John 6. And I am afraid that it thoroughly condemns the RCC on all points.

My goodness OP!! I am with Catholicguy in sarcastically wishing this manifesto was longer.

This will not go unanswered though.

As they used to say in Pole Position..."Prepare to Qualify...."

[Rambler]

But my "opinion" is merely a correct reading of the Scriptures.

Who says? You? LOL.

[Woodkirk]

Perhaps the most overlooked verse regarding the fraud perpetrated by the RCC is in Matthew 24:26:

"Wherefore if they shall say unto you, 'Behold, he is in the inner chambers', believe it not".

Sitting on every altar in every Catholic Church is one of these "inner chambers" that they call "tabernacles" where the leftover consecrated hosts are stored for later distribution. It is precisely what Jesus referred to here -- a locked closet, a dispensary, a safe place used for storage. Catholics have been conned into believing that Jesus resides in these inner chambers, comes out only for Mass or other ceremonial adoration, then, goes back into hiding again, and all this through the magical powers of the priest. But Jesus said DON'T BELIEVE THEM..

So who are Catholics here going to believe: Jesus or those who Jesus said not to believe?

[ThomasMore]

You've been reading too much of "Foxe's Book of Martyrs"!