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Drug laws won't be on the fall ballot, but tobacco money will
Detroit Free Press ^ | September 11, 2002 | DAWSON BELL

Posted on 09/11/2002 4:55:57 AM PDT by VA Advogado

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:12:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Dane
http://www.cadca.org/CoalitionToolkit/PublicPolicy/CurrentLegislation/CurrentLegislation.htm

Looks like a fifty-fifty split on Repubs and Dims voting to ramp up the WOsD. Just like those famous Drug Warriors Mao and Ho Chi Minh. Stalin was big on waging a Drug War as well.

You seem to be in excellent company for one of your beliefs. How can you stand having so many mentors to choose from? I've only got people like Locke and Jefferson to look up to. Oh, and Washington. Franklin. A few others you've probably never heard of. Or did you think they were kooks as well?

261 posted on 09/11/2002 1:15:34 PM PDT by Dead Corpse
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To: Dead Corpse
You seem to be in excellent company for one of your beliefs. How can you stand having so many mentors to choose from? I've only got people like Locke and Jefferson to look up to.

You forgot Cheech and Chong, IMHO.

262 posted on 09/11/2002 1:23:13 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
And no one has denied or discredited on this thread that the biggest pot boosters are leftists who revere Mao, Che, or Ho Chi Minh.

You still don't get it, do you . . .

263 posted on 09/11/2002 1:27:06 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
You still don't get it, do you . . .

Uh what? That leftists such as George Soros are the biggest boosters of drug validation.

JMO, but it seems to be you who is out of the loop.

264 posted on 09/11/2002 1:32:04 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
It must really burn you up that you can't be the little tin-pot dictator that you would like to be.

What's the matter Dane, didn't your mother let you outside to play with others? Kept you inside where she could keep an extremely close eye on you? I guess you never lost the feeling of needing that close supervision to keep you out of trouble.

Curious that the rest of us grew up at some point and realized that we really don't need that infantile desire to control others.

265 posted on 09/11/2002 1:36:13 PM PDT by Dead Corpse
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To: Dane
Get off it. You expect someone to 'discredit' your every rant on every thread? -- That IS insane. Call a shrink.
266 posted on 09/11/2002 1:37:03 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Dead Corpse
It must really burn you up that you can't be the little tin-pot dictator that you would like to be

Tin-pot dictator??? Oh no it is the dope smokers who revere tin-pot dictators.

You know the people who put the bong next to the psychedelic posters of Che Guevera and Mao.

267 posted on 09/11/2002 1:40:35 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dead Corpse
The Government isn't allowed to. There is no such Constitutional restriction on "We the People..."

What does your misinformed rant have to do with the state of Michigan?

268 posted on 09/11/2002 1:53:45 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: WyldKard
It's about the Government not having the right to conduct a FEDERAL level War on Drugs.

What does your misinformed rant have to do with the state of Michigan?

269 posted on 09/11/2002 1:56:27 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Dead Corpse
I've only got people like Locke and Jefferson to look up to.

"Whosoever, therefore, out of a state of Nature unite into a community, must be understood to give up all the power necessary to the ends for which they unite into society to the majority of the community, unless they expressly agreed in any number greater than the majority. And this is done by barely agreeing to unite into one political society, which is all the compact that is, or needs be, between the individuals that enter into or make up a commonwealth. And thus, that which begins and actually constitutes any political society is nothing but the consent of any number of freemen capable of majority, to unite and incorporate into such a society. And this is that, and that only, which did or could give beginning to any lawful government in the world." -- John Locke

"Every society has a right to fix the fundamental principles of its association, and to say to all individuals, that if they contemplate pursuits beyond the limits of these principles and involving dangers which the society chooses to avoid, they must go somewhere else for their exercise; that we want no citizens, and still less ephemeral and pseudo-citizens, on such terms. We may exclude them from our territory, as we do persons infected with disease." -- Thomas Jefferson


270 posted on 09/11/2002 2:02:15 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Now you want to go back to talking about the topic? After you've gone through so much trouble to de-rail the thread? Consistantly inconsistant aren't you?
271 posted on 09/11/2002 2:04:22 PM PDT by Dead Corpse
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To: Bill D. Berger
"However, VA and Roscoe are hopeless boot-lickers."

Not to mention the Melancholy one. ;^)
272 posted on 09/11/2002 2:13:01 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Dead Corpse
Good grief. You forgot what the thread was about.
273 posted on 09/11/2002 2:14:41 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
More like this:

"Whenever our affairs go obviously wrong, the good sense of the people will interpose and set them to rights."
--Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:322

"Our fellow citizens have been led hoodwinked from their principles by a most extraordinary combination of circumstances. But the band is removed, and they now see for themselves."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Dickinson, 1801. ME 10:217

"Governments, wherein the will of every one has a just influence... has its evils,... the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. [I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.] Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs."
--Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:64

"If our country, when pressed with wrongs at the point of the bayonet, had been governed by its heads instead of its hearts, where should we have been now? Hanging on a gallows as high as Haman's."
--Thomas Jefferson to Maria Cosway, 1786. ME 5:444

"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."
--Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315

Trump, Gump.

274 posted on 09/11/2002 2:16:35 PM PDT by Dead Corpse
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To: Dead Corpse
Trump

None of the quotes tendered support your stance. You crapped out.

Again.

275 posted on 09/11/2002 2:18:54 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Forgot? Not even remotely.
276 posted on 09/11/2002 2:22:46 PM PDT by Dead Corpse
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To: Roscoe
So not one of those regards the people changing their form of government, and the Laws, when those laws become onerous and destructive of our Liberty?

Maybe you are the one who should put down the peace-pipe.

277 posted on 09/11/2002 2:24:22 PM PDT by Dead Corpse
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To: Dead Corpse
So not one of those regards the people changing their form of government

The people haven't. Laws against illicit drugs exist at the federal level and in all fifty states.

278 posted on 09/11/2002 2:35:13 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Now you are back to talking about the Feds. Consistantly inconsistant.

Where in the Constitution does it give the Feds the power to run a War on Drugs? Please keep in mind that our Constitution is written on hemp paper and is a "restrictive document" as far as Federal power is conserned. The Feds only have those duties which are listed in the Constitution and not one lick more.

Also, the Feds are still subject to "We the People..." as well.

279 posted on 09/11/2002 2:39:28 PM PDT by Dead Corpse
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To: Dead Corpse
Now you are back to talking about the Feds.

Squirmy.

The people have not chosen to change their form of government at either nationally or in the states. Laws against illicit drugs exist at the federal level and in all fifty states.

Please keep in mind that our Constitution is written on hemp paper and is a "restrictive document" as far as Federal power is conserned.

Velum, not hemp. Enabling, not restrictive.

280 posted on 09/11/2002 2:48:04 PM PDT by Roscoe
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