Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE
History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.
From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.
On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him
"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.
At least that is how I have always felt about it"
I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".
Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.
It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.
Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?
Thanks Joe..
That's just it ... he's complaining primarily about the POSTERS who give this site its flavor and everyone's certain this is something he needs to iron out with The Man who (it appears) they credit with the iron fist necessary to keep this site "on track" and in comport with The Party's Progressive Vision (as the likes of former-radical and now celebrated GOP strategist Horowitz put it).Thanks, none for me today. I'll have a Guiness Stout.Bizarre.
If Jim had a change of heart tomorrow and decided that the GOP was more top-down corrupt and the greater threat to our liberties and our Constitutional Republic than the dimwit Dems, what then? I'm guessing that now he's behind the Administration, there's no going back? What?
However depressing (you're darn tootin' I miss the "old FR") it's certainly been an interesting phenomenon to watch.
Well ... to your health, then!(Gosh, I'm glad it's Friday.)
I hope so .. I like Joe .. he's worked his butt off for FR and I have to say .. this whole thing sadden me very much
I thought this matter was put to rest when JR apologized and agreed to with with Joe
This to me sounds like something that would come from a certain other site
Is Joe making a play to advocate new rule on FR? Sounds like him and Jim have their differences. I am curious for Joe to explain himself. If he would like to see things run a different way, let's hear it.
But he won't. This thread will stay, and his syncophants will beg him to stay; and the FRILLIONS of EXODUS threatening FREEPERS will post infinites posts of accusatory "ASS KISSING" "BUSHBOT'ing" slamns; and Joe will sit in his Freeper Creeper, watching the threat evolve and take form; then it will be posted over on LP and they will laugh about it, and make fun of posters and hurl personal insults in Jim Robinsons direction; and in about two or three days Joe will show up...and lob another stink bomb.
Having raised two children of my own, and a niece, I am quite familiar with how a temper tantrum is thrown when one does not get their own way.
Mojo? Gee, you've quite the reach ... well before your time, even.
Try not to be a "significant part of the problem" by attempting to spice up threads with stale ingredients.
most likely gonna hit 1000+ ...
But when a person with some responsibility lays in a pit with a bunch of vipers, he has to have some of the same characteristics lest he get bitten himself.
Interesting theory.
And here I thought the acrimony, deception, hatefulness and suspicion just rubbed off on those who can't resist mixing it up with the vipers.
You think they choose to assume viper characteristics?
I was defending Joe against a cheap shot that was taken. I am not siding either with or against him. I have all the respect in the world for both Joe and Jim. And no, I don't agree with your theory about this being a pre-emptive strike. You've read too many Tom Clancy novels.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Stop the thread!!! Quit posting...WE HAVE A WINNER!!!...and the correct answer is:
Can you have ANY doubt that the purpose of this thread is to try and line-up support? And make a pre-emptive strike?
Damn justshe....YOU ROCK!!!!!!!
Example: "Oh Please .. is there ANYTHING you don't blame on folks who support our President"
The more you stir the s**t, the more it stinks.
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