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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: Mudboy Slim
Hi Mud: All I did was ask the questions .
It is up to you all to find the answers.

I'll take all the heat if it puts this site back together again.


I have been reading. I have not perused any other sites, and frankly don't give a damn what they have to say.
121 posted on 09/06/2002 9:16:38 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: BADJOE
I have nothing but contempt for the federal government. As they have caused much of the problems that this country is facing. People that support this federal government monster are truly scary individuals..

Thanks Joe..

122 posted on 09/06/2002 9:16:46 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: MizSterious
Kind of reminds you of a kool-aid party, doesn't it?

That's just it ... he's complaining primarily about the POSTERS who give this site its flavor and everyone's certain this is something he needs to iron out with The Man who (it appears) they credit with the iron fist necessary to keep this site "on track" and in comport with The Party's Progressive Vision (as the likes of former-radical and now celebrated GOP strategist Horowitz put it).

Bizarre.

If Jim had a change of heart tomorrow and decided that the GOP was more top-down corrupt and the greater threat to our liberties and our Constitutional Republic than the dimwit Dems, what then? I'm guessing that now he's behind the Administration, there's no going back? What?

However depressing (you're darn tootin' I miss the "old FR") it's certainly been an interesting phenomenon to watch.

Thanks, none for me today. I'll have a Guiness Stout.

Well ... to your health, then!

(Gosh, I'm glad it's Friday.)


123 posted on 09/06/2002 9:17:08 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Mudboy Slim
Me neither...looks like Joe posted and left, perhaps he'd do us the honor of coming back and explaining hisself.

I hope so .. I like Joe .. he's worked his butt off for FR and I have to say .. this whole thing sadden me very much

I thought this matter was put to rest when JR apologized and agreed to with with Joe

This to me sounds like something that would come from a certain other site

126 posted on 09/06/2002 9:18:29 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: one_particular_harbour; Mudboy Slim; BADJOE
Re-read his post - I starts off talking about overthrowing the government and then discusses "voting-out" leaders in the Germany example.

Is Joe making a play to advocate new rule on FR? Sounds like him and Jim have their differences. I am curious for Joe to explain himself. If he would like to see things run a different way, let's hear it.

127 posted on 09/06/2002 9:19:01 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Mudboy Slim
Me neither...looks like Joe posted and left, perhaps he'd do us the honor of coming back and explaining hisself.

But he won't. This thread will stay, and his syncophants will beg him to stay; and the FRILLIONS of EXODUS threatening FREEPERS will post infinites posts of accusatory "ASS KISSING" "BUSHBOT'ing" slamns; and Joe will sit in his Freeper Creeper, watching the threat evolve and take form; then it will be posted over on LP and they will laugh about it, and make fun of posters and hurl personal insults in Jim Robinsons direction; and in about two or three days Joe will show up...and lob another stink bomb.

Having raised two children of my own, and a niece, I am quite familiar with how a temper tantrum is thrown when one does not get their own way.

128 posted on 09/06/2002 9:19:08 AM PDT by Neets
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To: VA Advogado
~~~~~Its like Jim and Joe are the parents here and none of us want to see them get divorced. ~~~~~

VA..

No one has to support or weigh-in, either, when 'one of the parents' decides to air their grievances in public in an attmept to garner support.

Can you have ANY doubt that the purpose of this thread is to try and line-up support? And make a pre-emptive strike?

I am of the mind that how ever grievous BadJoe sees his plight at FR, and regardless of the good works he has contributed to the 'marriage' in the past, it is still 'trailer trash' to stomp your foot, repeatedly, in public in an attempt to smear your 'partner'.

THAT is the point.

Just my opinion.
129 posted on 09/06/2002 9:19:14 AM PDT by justshe
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To: one_particular_harbour
I'm wondering what he has told them in private - and that would include names such as CaL, Clarity, mojo, etc.

Mojo? Gee, you've quite the reach ... well before your time, even.

Try not to be a "significant part of the problem" by attempting to spice up threads with stale ingredients.

131 posted on 09/06/2002 9:19:23 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: stainlessbanner
I = It
132 posted on 09/06/2002 9:19:49 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: OneidaM
Notice the 'other FR basher' popped in too.
133 posted on 09/06/2002 9:20:32 AM PDT by justshe
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To: Jakarta ex-pat
it's friday, and most folks are still in cubicle hell.
i'll take that $50 for the next quarterly     

most likely gonna hit 1000+ ...

134 posted on 09/06/2002 9:21:22 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: one_particular_harbour
But when a person with some responsibility lays in a pit with a bunch of vipers, he has to have some of the same characteristics lest he get bitten himself.

Interesting theory.

And here I thought the acrimony, deception, hatefulness and suspicion just rubbed off on those who can't resist mixing it up with the vipers.

You think they choose to assume viper characteristics?

136 posted on 09/06/2002 9:22:03 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: justshe
No one has to support or weigh-in, either, when 'one of the parents' decides to air their grievances in public in an attmept to garner support.

I was defending Joe against a cheap shot that was taken. I am not siding either with or against him. I have all the respect in the world for both Joe and Jim. And no, I don't agree with your theory about this being a pre-emptive strike. You've read too many Tom Clancy novels.

137 posted on 09/06/2002 9:22:47 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: justshe; All
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Stop the thread!!! Quit posting...WE HAVE A WINNER!!!...and the correct answer is:

Can you have ANY doubt that the purpose of this thread is to try and line-up support? And make a pre-emptive strike?

Damn justshe....YOU ROCK!!!!!!!

138 posted on 09/06/2002 9:23:01 AM PDT by Neets
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To: Mo1
However, the Bushbotulism of this forum cannot be denied.

Example: "Oh Please .. is there ANYTHING you don't blame on folks who support our President"

139 posted on 09/06/2002 9:23:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Sloth; BADJOE
The moderation sucks, but everybody knows that now... what is this thread supposed to accomplish?

The more you stir the s**t, the more it stinks.

140 posted on 09/06/2002 9:23:10 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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