Posted on 08/29/2002 1:00:30 PM PDT by feelin_poorly
I still fully stand by that comment of mine. Funny that you thought it was so offensive, the comment wasn't even removed by any moderators.
Huh? Parse error.
Until you have a single ruling made by the Supreme Court that anything currently taking place is unconstitutional then by definition the above statement is fact.
The people are equally qualified to judge something as unconstitutional. The people are even empowered to set aside laws from the jury box.
No law has been past removing a single right any American has.
There are approximately 900 held now without being allowed a lawyer, without being allowed to review the charges against them, and there are no dates set for their trial. The trials can be conducted in secret, without the accused's presence. This is included in the "Patriot's Act". It passed.
TIPS isn’t a law and even if it were it wouldn’t remove a single right spelled out by our forefathers.
Same thing was said when the Hitler Youth was formed.
Our Nation is under a very cogent threat of Biological as well as nuclear attack. This is not 1776 where we’ll be able to rally the minutemen to protect the Nation from a developing invasion.
Our Nation was under a much more real threat of nuclear attack during the "Cold War". During the Cuban Missle Crisis there was nearly a first strike launch. The extreme measures now being employed were not needed then, are not needed now. The "minutemen" could indeed protect this Nation even now. There is an abundance of American citizens who can watch over our lakes, power plants, and bridges. I can't think of a more formidable foe than the American public. The government places us under suspicion rather than "on the wall". (Besides, the TIPS program is a degenerate form of militia.)
The threat we face requires preemption.
Better security would result from prohibiting immigration from hostile lands, deporting hostiles, sealing the porous Mexican border, and arming air crews. Searching Middle-Eastern athletic males would provide better security than strip searching retired US Army Generals and confiscating his Medal of Honor.
Does any one here want to assert that Thomas Jefferson would sacrifice millions of American lives?
He wouldn't. But he wouldn't "protect us" by allowing proven enemies to continue to train in our flight schools, strip search 88 year-old grandmothers, and prohibit loyal Americans from bearing arms in order to protect themselves.
The threats posed to us now develop in nanoseconds..
You haven't been doing your homework. The Al-Quada threat has been building up over some years. The attackers trained in this country for years. The government that you so highly respect failed to see this coming despite very clear signs and even direct warnings from other counties. Political correctness blinded the entire intelligence community. Don't worry. They all got promotions.
At what point do you sober up and admit that the 1700’s are gone and they are never, ever coming back?
Moral and political principles are ageless. The problems we face in society today are no different than those faced in Socrate's time, let alone the 1700s. The technologies of war have changed, but the meanings of honor, dignity, morality, and freedom are absolutes that don't change.
Our Constitution is indeed the foundation that this Nation stands on but to honestly believe in the possibility of a return to the original state of national and international affairs that our Nation enjoyed when it was written and established is willfully infantile and ignorant. If you do not agree then I find difficulty in you identifying yourself as either Conservative or American.
It is extremely obvious that you are not well versed with the Founding Documents. If you had read them, you couldn't possibly make these statements. Their writings deal mostly with duty, honor, bravery, responsibility, honesty, and selflessness. Do you actually presume these to be obsolete?
Grow up.
I'm 52 years old. I've raised five successful children. I served as an officer in the US Army. You are the one who should grow up and stand firm, and defend your Nation. Not the "next" Nation, this Nation. I took an oath to defend the Constitution and this Nation against all enemies, foriegn and domestic. I meant it then, I never recanted.
Get an education, especially with respect to your Heritage. In the final analysis, it is all you have.
He has me vote for the cowering idiot of the year. I guess you didn't notice that he thinks the Constitution is obsolete?
So does this mean that Clinton's balanced budget and booming economy were not real - that it was all a lie perpetrated by the Dems in a vain effort to get Gore into the White House? ::::gasp!::::
Now you all have fun, I'm taking my Grandkids to Chuckie Cheeses, Have a great Holiday weekend
I have been giving rational retorts including researched quotes from Constitutional documents while you offer opinion that was garnered through a recent public school education. I am defending a blood-earned way of life while you advocate trading the only things you have over and above the reset of the world for pretense of security. I am acting very grown up. You are acting the part of a sniveling coward, ready to sell your birthright because you are scared. You are scared of something that is less likely to kill you than a trip to your car to buy beer.
"rational retorts" ????? Sure anything you say
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