final decree dated March 20, 1964
Posted on 01/22/2014 12:48:02 PM PST by iontheball
“I wouldn’t have a clue if they were both the same place or not, is Molokai Maui? I always thought it was another island”.
Obviously you or someone else has done extensive research, given the vast amount of information and documents posted/re-posted. Bravo!
Why not research the answer to your own question, which happens to be a very simple wikipedia search away?
I admit I was being lazy, I could have looked it up, but I wrote that as a question because I had a recollection that someone on this thread or another had written that both Molokai and Maui came under the same regional control, iirc.
So it’s not just a question of geography.
I’m giving SAD the benefit of doubt if that’s the case, she might have recalled having a marriage certificate signed on Molokai, with a stamp on it from Maui?
Doesn’t explain why she wrote the year as 1964 however.
You know what they say...a picture is worth...unless it's a forgery.
1920 Federal Census Leper Colony Hawaii:
Edward Maike Age 19, Color: MU (Mulatto) Florida
Appreciate your response. Benefit of doubt is argumentative and opinionated. Hardly enough information to make such a summation by skilled researchers ... Or perhaps even geographers. ;)
Jmo
Nonetheless true however, a freeper suggested that both Molokai and Maui came under the same local authority juristiction. Maybe a Hawaiian freeper might chime in. I thought it fair enough to mention, considering that Stanley Ann Dunham may have been under the same impression, and confused Molokai with Maui when she applied for her passport renewal.
My original comment was meant to include a little sarcasm, I don’t really believe it, but in anticipation of being corrected, which seems to have become a sport on these threads, I left the question open.
If only ‘skilled researchers’ are to be allowed to make comments here, then you’re going to lose an awful lot of members.
I’m just a curious, elderly freeper who has been reading and watching events unfold on FR from Australia since 2003.
No one asked me for my qualifications when I joined. I just don’t follow your response; why is ‘benefit of doubt argumentative and opinionated’?
And as I said, if both islands are or were, under the one administration based on Maui, it’s really got nothing to do with geography.
I have only just now noticed your lengthy reply regarding the various islands. thanks, I’ll study it.
Are we any closer to understanding why SAD has two different places and dates for her previous marriage?
Other than confusion on her part or just a bad memory?
“Other than confusion on her part or just a bad memory?”
None of the above.
final decree dated March 20, 1964
Ok, then if it’s neither, then she’s thinking about another event, a previous marriage, LOL!
Funny story:
I was once at a birthday party for a relative, the food was sumptious, the wine was flowing, and having been quite recently married for the second time, when someone asked, ‘and how long have you two been married’ I replied...
with that date of my first marriage.
very very embarrassing moment that was...
So maybe when SAD wrote on that renewal application in 1981:
March 5, ‘64, Maui Hawaii Lolo Soetoro
she wrote the date of the marriage-that-maybe-never-was to the kenyan, and simply made a mistake and wrote 1964 instead of 1961.
Liars trip themselves up.
There’s not much to ‘research’ when most of what you have to go on is either forged, tampered with, or heavily redacted, like the INS files, and it’s been admitted that her actual or much of her passport file has been destroyed.
which makes me wonder, if you are the freeper who I recall making the comment that Molokai was administered from Maui, and that's how this whole thing started.
None of the above.
Is that because you know it to be neither because you have information no one else has that you are not prepared to share, or are you just expressing your opinion?
So as you can see, the final decree was dated March 20, 1964, so the marriage date of March 5, 1964 could NOT be correct, and as she applied for the divorce in January, there was no 12 month waiting period involved.
There is a discrepancy however, the final decree shows an earlier date but it wasn’t signed until the 20th. I’m not a lawyer, I can’t tell if she would have been able to marry 15 days before the judge signed the decree nisi.
Fred, thanks for the info on the divorce decree in posts 510 & 514.
I’m stumped on that difference between what the passport app says, March 5, ‘64, and what the marriage certs (your pic in post 488 and BrownDeer’s pic in #491) have on it, March 16, 1965.
Court date in divorce final decree says March 8th, 1964.
The marriage & divorce docs taken by themselves agree.
Maybe somebody in the passport office transposed the numbers, March 4, 1965 —> March 5, 1964. ???
Re: Molokai & Maui
Standard form verbiage on the Marriage cert says “....were joined in marriage by me in accordance with the laws of the state of Hawaii in the Molokai Judicial District, County of Maui....”
the best view is that post 491 by Brown Deer; Many thanks for that pic!
There are 4 main islands in the county of Maui, Maui itself, Moloka’i, Lana’i, and Kaho’olawe; here’s the county web site:
the later signing/ filing date of march 20 could be from case backlog, etc.
So now you know what we’ve known since the divorce documents and the passport application file became public.
Or the judge was waiting for some information before he signed the final decree. WE can’t do any more than speculate, can we?
When did Kalawao county disappear?
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