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1 posted on 03/10/2010 6:35:03 PM PST by Idabilly
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Over the course of American history, there has been no greater conflict of visions than that between Thomas Jefferson’s voluntary republic, founded on the natural right of peaceful secession, and Abraham Lincoln’s permanent empire, founded on the violent denial of that same right.

Wow, does somebody get it and they're not afraid to say so, or what!

198 posted on 03/12/2010 3:59:02 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Jefferson


205 posted on 03/12/2010 4:31:07 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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I won’t even look but I can bet the resident ABMs and South bashers are in a tittypinch on this one..

bttt...nice petard toss Billy!


228 posted on 03/12/2010 10:44:16 PM PST by wardaddy (women are crazy)
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Too bad for you that the DoI was a committee effort and not, as taught, written exclusively by Jefferson.


234 posted on 03/13/2010 3:57:12 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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Jefferson of course. Lincoln wanted freedom only if that freedom agreed with what he thought it should be. Lincoln wanted a fed dictatorship. To state that members of an organization, which they joined of their own free will, cannot thereafter leave that organization is just pure tyranny. The Union forced it's will on the southern states after they peacefully seceded from the Union. The feds started the war by pushing the south until the south fired the first shot.

There was no reason the two separate countries could not have existed side by side, except that Lincoln didn't want it that way. Left alone, the southern states would have gradually began coming back to the Union and they would have dumped slavery without 50,000 men dying for that end.

The true slave master of the 1860s was Abraham Lincoln, a man who made slaves of the whole south for years and a man whose great idea for solving the slave problem was to send them all back to Africa, something modern historians are loath to mention.

255 posted on 03/13/2010 8:01:43 AM PST by calex59
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I do not know if i am for lincoln Or jefferson But i am against slavery, and we have to keep fighting against it because there are always some one or some group who think its their right to tell other people what to do.


268 posted on 03/13/2010 2:02:11 PM PST by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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Jefferson rewrote the bible to his liking. That's bad enough.

He backstabbed Washington, and when president disregarded his own philosophy with the Louisiana Purchase and establishment of the Navy...two things he would have hammered Washington over had Washington been the one presiding over these things.

Lincoln and Washington...our two best.

273 posted on 03/13/2010 4:07:08 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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And the Texas Board of Education is removing Jefferson from text books?

Right hand, meet left hand.


400 posted on 03/15/2010 6:21:33 AM PDT by DaGman
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If, by the mere force of numbers, a majority should deprive a minority of any clearly written constitutional right, it might, in a moral point of view, justify revolution — certainly would, if such right were a vital one.


732 posted on 03/17/2010 12:22:07 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Question: Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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Due to amount of money each Individual State receives from the Federal Government, and the dependency created by the Federal Government, it would make it nearly impossible to break away at this time. The only hope to those who still burn for separation from this union, is a collapse of the U.S. Dollar. what it would take now to create a new Nation the way our founding Fathers envisioned, would be a total collapse of the Federal Government as we know it, and people that are not willing to compromise their moral principles. A total collapse would destroy the states dependency on the dollar, forcing a new nation to be created. Obongo is well on his way to creating this situation.


744 posted on 03/17/2010 1:40:09 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Go ahead, pass it you bastards, I will NEVER comply in any way. Read my lips, NEVER!)
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Jefferson won’t get too manY votes in Texas. They’re downplaying his role in the nation’s founding. No one will know who he is. Who’s doing this? “Conservatives”.


775 posted on 03/18/2010 5:59:30 AM PDT by BiggieLittle
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“Just don’t bombard any forts on your way out. That didn’t work out so well for you last time.”

I think comments like that could be perceived as trolling for trouble. Kinda makes one wonder if all the Sesch around here might have a point in there comments about you.


1,076 posted on 03/23/2010 10:51:58 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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Good Lord.

Have we chosen yet?


1,141 posted on 03/24/2010 8:30:33 AM PDT by MrRobertPlant2009
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ping


1,191 posted on 03/24/2010 4:50:21 PM PDT by freemike (John Adams-Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker)
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bump


1,253 posted on 03/26/2010 11:50:58 PM PDT by genetic homophobe
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