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The Fraudulent Tax
The Mises Institute ^ | October 9th, 2006 | Laurence M. Vance

Posted on 10/10/2006 8:59:26 AM PDT by cryptical

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To: Always Right
As you yourself correctly observed:

"It takes an act of Congress to change the GRR of 14.91%, but not the other rates. "

You also don't get to select out the word or phrase that you choose to interpret and present as the whole meaning of a statement. My statement about Congressional action to change the rate was in relation to the possible need to lower the rate due to having more than sufficient tax revenue to cover the reduced proportions of the entitlements plus the GRR. Congress would need to alter the GRR upward or they would have excess tax money scattered all over the Beltway with no place to put it.

Can't have that, can we?

481 posted on 10/21/2006 4:27:35 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Always Right
You're far too eager to call someone a liar. Better re-read the three posts and consider what was said. There is no "lie".

The fact you choose to not agree doesn't bother me one bit since that's not the first time - remember???

482 posted on 10/21/2006 4:32:16 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
As you yourself correctly observed:

"It takes an act of Congress to change the GRR of 14.91%, but not the other rates. "

Well, I am glad you understand that is correct. You are still confused about changes to the overall rate though. The overall 23% rate will change (either go up or go down) without Congress acting. The 14.91% rate is fixed by this bill, but the other factors change automatically based on government statistics. You have stated numerous times the 23% rate requires an act of Congress to change (either up or down, it does not matter to this discussion). Do you still think that?

483 posted on 10/21/2006 4:39:32 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: pigdog
You're far too eager to call someone a liar. Better re-read the three posts and consider what was said. There is no "lie".

I read you three posts several times, and they are still wrong. You are not a liar for being wrong. But you are a liar when you keep denying what you said.

484 posted on 10/21/2006 4:43:53 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
"You have stated numerous times the 23% rate requires an act of Congress to change (either up or down, "

As I just pointed out to you - I've made no such statement so stop claiming that I have. What I stated was that Congress would have to act to change the GRR as the two entitlement proportions fall and more revenue is "left over" - otherwise the money would have no home.

485 posted on 10/21/2006 5:06:54 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Always Right

Your pants are on fire!! (again).


486 posted on 10/21/2006 5:07:39 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Always Right
Just gotta call someone "liar", don't you? Does that make you feel smart???

Actually (as you'll eventually come to find out) I can keep at this sort of thing at least as long as you - and in fact I intend to, since I have not "lied" and your efforts to force me into one will not work.

487 posted on 10/21/2006 5:13:05 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Just gotta call someone "liar", don't you? Does that make you feel smart???

No, but I would hope I could for once shame you into admitting the truth. You are a habitual liar.

488 posted on 10/21/2006 5:22:57 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Gee, I'm glad you "don't do" personal attacks. They'd certainly come out "strangely".

In fact, it's amazing you're not called on all the personal attacks you do.

489 posted on 10/21/2006 5:35:17 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog

Because I back up what I say. I quote what you deny, then I show you saying exactly what you just denied. I am just calling a liar a liar. If you would stop lying, I would stop calling you one.


490 posted on 10/21/2006 5:40:12 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: pigdog
As I just pointed out to you - I've made no such statement so stop claiming that I have.

I documented in post 475 you making that claim on 4 times on this thread. Why do you keep denying it. Do you have too much pride to admit you were wrong? I really don't understand you.

491 posted on 10/21/2006 5:59:13 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Your 4 documentations are meaningless since you do not seem to understand what they say.

And let's fact it you will never, ever stop calling as many FairTax supporters as possible "liars", etc. that's your stock in trade and everyone recognizes that - frequently done with coarse expressions to boot.

492 posted on 10/21/2006 9:31:28 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Always Right
Who do you think you are kidding?

And I'm certainly not going to "admit" something I haven't done. If you can't understand what is said that's your problem, not mine.

493 posted on 10/21/2006 9:33:25 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Your 4 documentations are meaningless since you do not seem to understand what they say.

Oh I see, you speak in some sort of a code language. When you say:

"And to change the FairTax rate it would, indeed, take congressional action."

It really doesn't mean you think it will take an act of Congress to change the rate. Or when you say:

"...the statutory rate for all three combined must be 23% (or whatever the rate ends up as in the bill) unless changed by Congress."

Ummm, that's a tough one. Perhaps some IRS agent got a hold of your password and is making these posts to make you look like you are saying this? You should probably tell administators about this and have it corrected. Otherwise you just look like a big fat liar who can't even tell the truth when confronted. At least Bill Clinton admitted it once caught. You just keep lying and lying and lying despite evidence in black and white. Truly sad.

494 posted on 10/22/2006 5:45:32 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
"...you speak in some sort of a code language ...."

Yes ... it's a "code" called English. If you'd bother to learn it and practice it instead of doing your little our of contexts hits it would make you less like what you've become ... or to quote an acquaintance of mine, you're:

"... Truly sad ..."

495 posted on 10/22/2006 8:34:06 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Yes ... it's a "code" called English. If you'd bother to learn it and practice it instead of doing your little our of contexts hits it would make you less like what you've become ...

Oh great master of the English language, would you please tell me what you meant by:

"And to change the FairTax rate it would, indeed, take congressional action."

and,

"...the statutory rate for all three combined must be 23% (or whatever the rate ends up as in the bill) unless changed by Congress."

Just how did all the BS you spewed about before making these statements, changed their meaning? Come on pigdog come clean, we know you can. Just say, "I made a mistake, I then lied about it, I am sorry". I won't hold it against you.

496 posted on 10/22/2006 8:41:35 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right; pigdog
"...the statutory rate for all three combined must be 23% (or whatever the rate ends up as in the bill) unless changed by Congress."
Another pigdog lie. The only "statutory rate" after the first year is the 14.91% general revenue rate.
`(1) FOR 2007- In the calendar year 2007, the rate of tax is 23 percent of the gross payments for the taxable property or service.

`(2) FOR YEARS AFTER 2007- For years after the calendar year 2007, the rate of tax is the combined Federal tax rate percentage (as defined in paragraph (3)) of the gross payments for the taxable property or service.

`(3) COMBINED FEDERAL TAX RATE PERCENTAGE- The combined Federal tax rate percentage is the sum of--

`(A) the general revenue rate (as defined in paragraph (4), and

`(B) the old-age, survivors and disability insurance rate, and

`(C) the hospital insurance rate.

`(4) GENERAL REVENUE RATE- The general revenue rate shall be 14.91 percent.

It's such a great plan you have to lie to cover up the lies about it.
497 posted on 10/22/2006 9:27:43 AM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lack of logic.)
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To: lewislynn

You know pigdog has been abusing you for that 'lie' for a long time. It is very hard for pigdog to have to admit he was wrong and you were right. He would rather keep lying about it. It seems now he realizes he was wrong, he just won't admit it even if we pull his fingernails off with pliers.


498 posted on 10/22/2006 9:33:53 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
pigdog is more and more ineffective to the Fairtax everyday...

The SQL's as he likes to call THEM couldn't ask for a better cheerleader.

499 posted on 10/22/2006 9:56:39 AM PDT by lewislynn (Fairtax = lies, hope, wishful thinking, conjecture and lack of logic.)
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To: Always Right
""Oh great master of the English language, would you please tell me what you meant by:

And to change the FairTax rate it would, indeed, take congressional action."

and,

"...the statutory rate for all three combined must be 23% (or whatever the rate ends up as in the bill) unless changed by Congress.""

Sure, I'd be glad to help out someone who isn't too conversant with the subject ... but flattery really isn't necessary (in fact not even appreciated since I know you're not sincere).

You need to read the three posts in question #334,351, and 368. The discussion was not about whether the rates would change but the point I made (which no one has refuted) is that the change in the two entitlement proportional ratios would be to reduce them rather than increase them. Having those percentages reducing, the additional funds would necessitate a change in altering the GRR (since there would be an overage of funds requiring a GRR rate change or change in the 23% rate) which can only be done by Congress. There is no provision to automatically alter the GRR.

Your and Looey's continual stating that the rate can only go upward is incorrect and the changes you thereby project will not occur.

That's what those three posts say and that's the actual situation. Trying to project some sort of automatic increase routinely as you do is both incorrect and disingenuous. That's why I've disputed the interpretation you both make ... you're incorrectly assuming the wrong direction of change.

If you continue in your insistence that the direction of change can only be in a way unfavorable to the FairTax (and apparently you do) then you are offering up misinformation just as he is. And it matters not how many times you make such a foolish charge; it's still wrong. The continual insistence of both of you that I'm "lying" will have no effect since what I have said is not a lie at all, but quite true.

500 posted on 10/22/2006 7:20:09 PM PDT by pigdog
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