Probing Question: What happened before the Big Bang?

Pennsylvania State University ^ | 03 August 2006 | Barbara Kennedy

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There was dancing!

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"LOL! Oh really? It has NOTHING to do with evo? Tell that to Darwin!!"

You DO realize that Darwin died in 1882, and the Big Bang theory wasn't around until decades later, and wasn't really accepted until the 1960's, right? Darwin never heard of the theory, nor did anybody else in his time. There was no theory like it in the 19th century.

[sirchtruth]

What YOU can't stand is the fact that 99%+ biologists accept evolution...

NO, what I can't stand and will NOT stand for is 99% of biologist trying to pass evolution off as fact when it's just conjecture, speculation, best guess hypothesis.

[balrog666]

You don't understand. What to you -- in your scientific worldview -- may look like a complete mental collapse is really a blessed event. These guys are witnessing. Leave them be.

Witnessing bullsh!t is witnessing bullsh!t, there is no other way to describe it.

[ml1954]

And the 'Desperate For Attention' Troll.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"NO, what I can't stand and will NOT stand for is 99% of biologist trying to pass evolution off as fact when it's just conjecture, speculation, best guess hypothesis."

Like I said, it burns you that the people who actually matter in this debate, working scientists, overwhelmingly find your position laughable.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"And the 'Desperate For Attention' Troll."

You're repeating yourself.

[ml1954]

You're repeating yourself.

Yeah, I realized it was redundant after I posted. But I had a particularly desperate troll in mind.

[sirchtruth]

I never asked where your belief came from, be it faith or science. It is obvious from the above you DO claim it as a fact.

Do you seriously think your able to convolute a belief as fact and twist reality? Having faith is not claiming something is a FACT, it's BELIEVING something is fact.

Evolution claims it's theory is FACT, not that it believes it's fact.

Nice try though...

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Yeah, I realized it was redundant after I posted. But I had a particularly desperate troll in mind."

I heard that echo too.

[USCG SimTech]

I fervently believe in the Big Bang theory. God spoke and BANG, the universe came into existence.

Actually, I believe God, Infinite all, performed the ultimate sacrifice by entering Infinite non-existance, Died for an infinitesimal point (for us) to create the Universe full of unlimited finites. ("bang") What a stinkin' gamble. What if infinite All and infinite Null cancelled each other out and all that remained was the "child", the Universe? That's some sex.

But what I believe is Infinite Father became greater than Infinite mind & structure (pre-Universe creation state), by now also occupying (communion) those unlimited number of finite ones over all time (just created by this ultimate sacrifice).

Hey, didn't the Son of God mimic that by dying only to become the Spirit to fill all those finite structures (beings)?

What a copy cat.

Like Father, like Son.

[balrog666]

Is your only purpose here to throw sh*t on the Christians and Jews??? Because if it is, as I see it to be the case, you will have an atheist like me throwing it at you...

Atheist????? Are you still playing that BS card?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!

Pull the other one now Mr. Creationist-Wannabe!?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Do you seriously think your able to convolute a belief as fact and twist reality? Having faith is not claiming something is a FACT, it's BELIEVING something is fact."

Distinction without a difference.

"Evolution claims it's theory is FACT, not that it believes it's fact."

It is both fact and theory. Here's a good article that explains it better than I could:

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_fact-and-theory.html

[PatrickHenry]

"What we have here is a failure to communicate."
-- Cool Hand Luke

[longshadow]

This ought to really burn 'em up:

[sirchtruth]

Like I said, it burns you that the people who actually matter in this debate, working scientists, overwhelmingly find your position laughable.

People who actually matter in this debate???

Doesn't get much more pitiful than that line. I think I'll just end my discussion with you right here...

[longshadow]

"What we have here is a failure to communicate." -- Cool Hand Luke

"The Warden" said that, to be precise ......

[Invisible Gorilla]

Shouldn't this be posted in Old News?

[PatrickHenry]

Luke said it too, just before they shot him.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"People who actually matter in this debate???"

Yes, working biologists, who overwhelmingly reject creationism/ID.

"Doesn't get much more pitiful than that line. I think I'll just end my discussion with you right here..."

Best you did that while you are behind. That way you won't have to explain how Darwin is connected with the Big Bang theory when he died decades before anybody thought of the Big Bang theory.

I'd run away if I was doing as poorly as you too.