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Scientific Illiteracy and the Partisan Takeover of Biology
National Center for Science Education ^ | 18 April 2006 | Staff

Posted on 04/19/2006 3:57:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: editor-surveyor
Any person with a computer and an internet connection can find all the information needed to get connected with a naturopathic practitioner (most of them MD's or DO's that have gone straight ) that can guide them.

Or you could decide you'd prefer to live out the year.

1,121 posted on 04/24/2006 8:34:19 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Doctor Stochastic

yeah, that too - didn't want to add in that factor, as it might have proven confusing.


1,122 posted on 04/24/2006 8:36:18 PM PDT by King Prout (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT.)
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To: metmom
There were some graphs posted recently on other threads that showed no correlation between CO2 levels and temperature.

No doubt. And there are graphs showing a strong negative correlation between global warming and pirates. However, basic physics being what it is, the CO2 correlation is a bit more dependable.

1,123 posted on 04/24/2006 8:38:28 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

I'd also be interested in the methane levels at those times. Something to look up some other time.


1,124 posted on 04/24/2006 8:46:55 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Doctor Stochastic

the sun causes warming.
CO2, among other atmospheric components, can act to trap warmth and slow its reflection and radiation into space.
However, the primary factor has always been and shall (probably) always be the amount of solar radiation reaching Earth, so long as the system endures.

That being said - climate is not defined by temperature alone.

Free atmospheric molecular oxygen is a toxin to many organisms, and a requirement for others. Changing the compostition of the atmosphere by drastically reducing the CO2 content and raising from approximately zero percent O2 to the current @20% is a whopping big change in the environment, affecting not only mean temperature but diurnal temperature ranges, weather patterns, etc...


1,125 posted on 04/24/2006 8:50:16 PM PDT by King Prout (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT.)
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To: metmom
I'd also be interested in the methane levels at those times. Something to look up some other time.

None of it means anything. Scientists are just money-grubbing atheists, trying to corrupt God-fearing Americans. We can double, even triple CO2 levels in the atmosphere, and nothing will happen. The Colorado glaciers that were miles long thirty years ago and are now completely gone are just, well, natural fluctuations. The permafrost that is now bog, well, who cares about permafrost. We were climate zone 5 in Nebraska 20 years ago, and now we're borderline zone 7, but that's just a few warm winters. We have now have Gulf Coast birds and armadillos in the south part of the state, and anhingas on the Missouri River just south of Omaha, why, the critters are just getting more adventurous.

Nothing to see here, just move along.

1,126 posted on 04/24/2006 8:58:25 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
And, come to think of it, we're talking JW's here. So, unless you're a JW, you don't even believe their nonsense about blood. Yet, such is your odd attachment to 'faith', you're willing to approve something you believe to be wrong, over something that you concede might possibly be right, because one is 'religion', and the other is 'science', and you've bought into the former.

Blather noted, but it is my commitment to independent thought and free will that allows me to consider that a person can decide how to treat their own bodies when faced with death. And again, obvious to billions.

So free choice is insanity to you. Ireland must be a wonderful place in which to grow up.

1,127 posted on 04/24/2006 9:00:23 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: editor-surveyor

Stanislaw Burzynski is a quack. He claims to cure cancer, AIDS, autoimmune diseases, and neurological diseases by feeding patients substances extracted from human urine.


1,128 posted on 04/24/2006 9:09:48 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: metmom

Figure 7h-3: Annual (1987) quantity of outgoing longwave radiation absorbed in the atmosphere
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7h.html

Must be all those cars in Africa and Arabia.

1,129 posted on 04/24/2006 9:13:25 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Liberal Classic

Sounds a bit like Herr Doctor Ludwig Bessner from the movie "Death on the Nile"; of course the Herr Doctor used armadillo urine instead.


1,130 posted on 04/24/2006 9:16:58 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: AndrewC

I dont have any problem at all, with any adult refusing any type of medical treatment...some refuse on religious grounds, but others refuse treatment for other reasons....the reasons why they refuse medical treatment for themselves, is of really no matter, as far as I am concerned...they refuse, and that is that...I do believe that every adult has the right to decide which medical treatment to try, and which medical treatment to refuse...whether they make their decision based on religion, distrust of the medical community, advanced age, fear, whatever...the reason for the refusal, when it comes to an adult, makes no difference...

However, what does concern me, is when parents, entrusted with the care of their children, refuse medical care for their children...this can also be based on religious grounds, or any other grounds, such as I mentioned previously, or some other reasons...are children obligated to be subjected to a lack of medical care, because that is what their parents desire?...

Certainly, nothing in medicine is a 100% cure-all situation...that is why medicine always gives statistics, chances of a cure...some medical treatments offer very low rates, for a cure, tho there are always those who will beat the oddss...other medical treatments offer very high cure rates, tho there are always those who will be the few who wont be cured...

Now, if an adult is going to refuse medical treatment outright, for whatever reason, then the odds, the statistics
dont really matter to him...but what about his children...if a child of his, becomes ill, and there is a cure thats, lets say, 95% effective, is it moral or right for that parents to allow his child not to have the treatment, based on the parents religious wishes?... or for any other reasons as well?

I find this a problem...


1,131 posted on 04/24/2006 9:23:55 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Your knowledge of Agatha Christie novels is clearly superior to mine. :)


1,132 posted on 04/24/2006 9:28:30 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Liberal Classic

I do know that Poirot wasn't a famous French Detective but rather a famous Belgian sloot.


1,133 posted on 04/24/2006 9:30:38 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: andysandmikesmom
I find this a problem...

Well, so do I when someone else butts into a family situation. Who is the best default agent to take care of their child from the moment of the child's birth to their independence?

1,134 posted on 04/24/2006 9:33:05 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

He always seems a bit miffed when mistaken for a Frenchman. I don't blame him.


1,135 posted on 04/24/2006 9:36:29 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I really dont believe what you say...

A friend of my husbands did exactly as you suggest..had liver cancer...went to some clinic, where he received special diets, and herbal remedies, and all sorts of other things...he could not get insurance to pay for any of this, so many of his friends and family held a benefit so that the money could be raised for him to go to this special clinic....it cost 30K....upfront payment...

He was dead within months...and that clinic was 30K richer, for giving him, who knows what...of course, liver cancer treated even by conventional means, has a poor cure rate, so even if he had tried conventional means, his odds of dying were quite high...

I am sure there are anecdotal tales of people being cured by herbs, by laetrile, by macrobiotic diets, by magnetism, by light therapy, and other means...I have even read a book by a Dr. , who claims that all cancers, every single one of them, is cured by the use alcohol in everything we use...she claims that by eliminating this alcohol, and coming to her for special treatment, for a large fee, she will cure you of whatever cancer you have...she claims this alcohol causes people to grow some sort of worms in their body and its these worms, which cause the cancer...I know that there are many other 'cures', which folks tout as being cancer cures...

One can go down to Mexico, and board the special buses down there, which make a tour of all the different clinics, offering cancer cures, and you can visit them, and have them explain and demonstrate their particualar 'cures'...

But anecdotal tales are not proof....

For myself, I prefer to rely on our modern Western Medicine...thats just what I find to be the only true venue, through which to find cures....

You disagree, and thats fine...after all, you are responsible for your own health, and I am responsible for mine, as is every other adult....

We just dont see this the same way...


1,136 posted on 04/24/2006 9:39:06 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: AndrewC

So what is it exactly, that you are saying?...that parents have the right to deny their children medical care, if the child needs it?...If I am mistaken in this, please let me know...


1,137 posted on 04/24/2006 9:40:59 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Poirot is not Belgian sloot, hes a Belgian sleuth...

I do adore Poirot...


1,138 posted on 04/24/2006 9:42:22 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom

Note the usual European pronunciation of English, especially the "th" sound.


1,139 posted on 04/24/2006 9:43:12 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: andysandmikesmom

Being seriously ill isn't (or at least shouldn't be) the default condition.


1,140 posted on 04/24/2006 9:44:13 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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